Kind Lady



I appreciate for your reply.



Yes, I understand the points you made about daana and where there is a
giver, there is a receiver.



Regarding the use of giving and the dative case, I understand that you don't
think it matters if the thing is material or not.



Is there any evidence to show that Nina's opinion is the case? As I said, I
have not seen in NPC "give" and the dative with a immaterial thing/abstract
noun. I think if we had a sentence like "Buddho dhamma.m manussaana.m deti."
That would support Nina's kind reply and be supportive evidence for the
indirect use of "speaking the Dhamma to." in the sense of "giving" and the
receiver therefore being in the dative.



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From: Pali@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Pali@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nina
van Gorkom
Sent: Monday, 7 February 2011 4:02 PM
To: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pali] NPC Excericse 26 error?





Venerable Bhikkhu Dhaamadarsa,
Op 3-feb-2011, om 2:25 heeft Dhammadarsa het volgende geschreven:

> Yes, I understood the general use of the dative with verb with the
> meaning
> of giving and I have only seen this used for giving material things.
>
> As you know the verb in the sentence does not have the *direct*
> meaning of
> giving. If we understand the indirect meaning of "giving the dhamma",
> "dhamma" is not a *material* thing, but an abstract noun. So on two
> grounds
> it doesn't seem right to me.
>
> I hope anyone could clarify this more.
>
>
> ----------

N: Your question is the condition to ponder more on daana. Daana can
be the giving of material things (aamisa) or the giving of spiritual
things. In the latter case it can be appreciation of someone else's
kusala, anumodana daana or it can be pattidaana, transference of
merit. This is letting others know about one's kusala, so that they
can have kusala citta as well. The best of gifts is Dhamma daana,
helping to explain the Dhamma to others.
I think that it does not matter whether the gift is material or
spiritual, with regard to the receiver being in the dative case.
Where there is a giver there is a receiver.
with respect,
Nina.

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