Dear Thomas,
Op 15-aug-2010, om 6:22 heeft thomaslaw03 het volgende geschreven:

> If this term does not actually exist or present in those
> collections, then the Pali tradition does not really preserve the
> tradition or concept (the term) regarding "Suttanta Maatikaa". It
> is here (by Ven. Nyanatiloka?) just making up the expression or
> phrase for the his Guide through the Abhidhamma Pitaka.

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N: I just open my Dhammasa"ngani text and it says:
Maatikaa: A. Abhidhamma.
B. Suttanta.
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In the translation of U Kyaw Khine:'Suttantika Duka Maatikaa.'
I see no problem here. Ven. Nyanatiloka did not alter anything.
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> Th:
> In other words, Suttanta Maatikaa, i.e. Suutra-maat.rkaa in Skt.,
> is "only" appeared in the "Mahayana" Yogacara-bhumi-sastra or
> "Sarvastivada" tradition, but not in the Pali tradition. The Pali
> tradition simply regards all subject headings/fundamental topics
> shown in the Sutta pitaka are maatikaa (of the Buddha teachings)....
>
> The topics (subject headings) of the Suutra-maat.rkaa found in the
> Yogacara-bhumi-sastra/Sarvastivada tradition correspond quite
> closely to the structure of some Pali Abhidhamma books, including
> non-Pali Abhidharmas, and the major part of Samyutta-nikaya/
> Samyukta-agama. I get this information from the books, The
> Fundamental Teachings of Early Buddhism (by Choong Mun-keat), and
> The Buddhist Path to Awakening (by R. M. L. Gethin).
>
> However, if this term, Suttanta Maatikaa, is not appeared in the
> Abhidhamma and Sutta pitakas, and their Pali commentaries, then the
> Pali tradition does not really preserve or maintain the tradition
> of "Suttanta Maatikaa". It may be just lost in the Pali tradition,
> but found only in the maatikaas (subject headings or the structure)
> of some Abhidhamma books, such as Vibhanga.

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N: I do not know enough about other traditions to go into this. Is
the whole subject perhaps just a matter of words? The Vibha"nga has
many references to the suttas, and also the puggala pa~n~natti refers
to the suttas, uses the same similes.
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Nina.



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