From: johnny pruitt
Message: 12028
Date: 2008-01-27
On Jan 26, 2008 2:05 AM, Jon Fernquest <bayinnaung@... com> wrote:
> Dear List Members;
>
> Thank you for the information about Buddhadhatta' s conversation book.
>
> They probably have that book at Mahachulalongkorn Buddhist University
> in Bangkok, but their catalog is not online so I'll have to check online.
>
> How far back communication in Pali between monks in different
> countries goes back raises an interesting question.
>
> There was a lot of communication between Sri Lanka and the Mon coastal
> region and central Burma and whole libraries transported from Sri
> Lanka to Burma. The Mahavihara lineage made its way to Toungoo around
> 1500. The Siam Nikaya was founded in Sri Lanka in the 18th century. I
> wonder whether they spoke Pali and how the early Pali education was done?
>
> Thanks Again.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
> --- In Pali@... com <Pali%40yahoogroups .com>, "gdbedell"
> <gdbedell@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > Piya,
> >
> > My name is George (Bedell); please call me that.
> >
> > I refer you to the Wikipedia entry on 'Extinct Languages'. Actually
> that entry distinguishes
> > between 'extinct' languages and 'dead' languages, which is a little
> new to me. I doubt
> > there are any 'dead' but not 'extinct' languages in their sense. In
> my usage and that of
> > most linguists, the two are the same and correspond to what the
> entry calls 'extinct'.
> > Either way, Pali (like Latin, Sanskrit or Classical Chinese) is both
> dead and extinct.
> >
> > with metta,
> >
> > George B
> >
> > --- In Pali@... com <Pali%40yahoogroups .com>, "Piya Tan"
> <dharmafarer@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Shall I call you DB or Bedell?
> > >
> > > Thanks for the interesting feedback, and I would like to know
> more. Any
> > > citations?
> > >
> > > I can see phantom question marks over some of my more intelligent
> pupils
> > > looking
> > > at me with suspicion if I said that a certain gdbedell on Pali
> Yahoo said
> > > such and
> > > such. Not that I don't value what you have said; indeed, for the very
> > > contrary.
> > >
> > > Citations please.
> > >
> > > Agape,
> > >
> > > Piya
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 25, 2008 10:26 PM, gdbedell <gdbedell@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > With all due respect to Piya Tan and others of like mind, a 'dead'
> > > > language is usually
> > > > defined as one with no native speakers. These are people who
> learn it as
> > > > their first
> > > > language and for whom it remains the primary mode of
> communication. By
> > > > this definition,
> > > > Pali is a dead language in spite of the many Buddhists who read
> and chant
> > > > it regularly, and
> > > > situations like that described by Piya for the Thai abbot in Sri
> Lanka.
> > > > Being dead does not
> > > > prevent it from preserving the Buddha's teachings.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Pali@... com <Pali%40yahoogroups .com><Pali% 40yahoogroups. com>, "Piya Tan"
> > > > <dharmafarer@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > When I was a monk in Thailand some 40 years back, I remember
> my abbot
> > > > (the
> > > > > current Somdet Phutthacharn of Wat Srakes) saying when he went
> to Sri
> > > > Lanka,
> > > > > he knew no Sinhala, and the Sinhalese knew no Thai. So they
> communicated
> > > > in
> > > > > Pali.
> > > > >
> > > > > Furthermore, Pali is not a "dead" language (like
> hieroglyphics, which
> > > > nobody
> > > > > uses).
> > > > > Pali is commonly use by living cultures. Sometimes it is called a
> > > > > Kunstsprache,
> > > > > which I think literally translates as "speech for art" a sort of
> > > > artificial
> > > > > language
> > > > > specially devised to preserve the Buddha's Teachings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Metta,
> > > > >
> > > > > Piya
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jan 25, 2008 2:59 PM, Jon Fernquest <bayinnaung@ > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > In a previous thread (History of the word "Aryan") Piya Tan
> suggests:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "I think we should stop speaking English here, and start
> using Pali.
> > > > After
> > > > > >
> > > > > > all this is a Pali website."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would like to do this, but has a spoken Pali primer ever been
> > > > written?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I once asked a former monk friend of mine how to say some simple
> > > > > > phrases and even though he can read Pali very well, he
> wasn't able to
> > > > > > produce spoken Pali. Does anyone speak Pali anymore? When
> did they in
> > > > > > the past?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This reminds me of a **Pali phrase book** used to help beginners
> > > > > > communicate in Pali, that I found at a bookseller in Yangon,
> Burma
> > > > > > several years ago, that was published in Sri Lanka.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone ever seen such a thing or know where it can be
> obtained?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > Jon
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > Singapore 650644
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