I am concerned that if the wisdom-liberated Arahat does not attain even
the first form-level Jhana (DN II 70-1), then he aasavaa are destroyed
not by samadha but by ''seeing'' with wisdom. This is very different
from any meditative traditions in history.

Thomas Law

--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "crimian84000" <crimian84000@...> wrote:
>
> I would think that a Arahat has shed those states so it does not
> matter at that point.
> The jhana are not going to be the same for everyone perhaps.
> Similar in taste likely.
>
> Jhana is tied also with siila and panna so i do not know if it is a
> stict line.
> Not all people have equal levels in all 3 regions
> They are also subject to crossover.
> To act in quietude and wise effort is not easy I beievve.
> Why stuggle for samadhi even.
> Does one only "get" Jhanas while in traditional meditation positions?
> I would not think so.
> Enough of my ramblings anyway hehe.
>