Nina,

That "bhuuta" refers to arhats is most interesting: do you references for this?

Piya

--- Yufen Shih <yufen.shih@...> wrote:

> Dear Nina,
> Thanks again but seems more Qs induced.
>
> 1. If only arahats are bhuuta, then what's the explanation for
> "evampi
> sabbabhuutesu" in the same sutta?
>
> 2. Not sure if i understand you correctly. Do you mean the first
> moment of
> a life is when a baby was born to the world? Then the 10month in
> womb is
> without consciousness? This will be easily refuted by the
> evidences found
> today.
>
> virtually with real metta,
> Traveller
> --------------------------------------
> Dear Traveller,
> The arahats are called bhuuta, not the sekhas and ordinary men. It
> is
> said:<That are bhuuta): that have been born, generated; they are
> reckoned thus 'They are (have been), they will not be again, which
> is
> a designation for those with tainsts exhausted, [namely, Arahants].
> >
> As to the unborn human babies also are called those that yet seek
> to
> be, yes, in this context. They are still in the womb.
> Actually, when we consider the rebirth-consciousness, this is the
> first moment of a life.
> Nina.
> Op 22-aug-2006, om 12:26 heeft traveller het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Regarding to Q1, the explanation in the Commentary brings some
> more
> > questions.
> > Aren't those bhuuta? The Initiates and ordinary men, etc.
> > Or the unborn human babies also are called those that yet seek to
> be?
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