Hi,

Just an afterthought. As I have mentioned before it is common to put the
agent of ta-participles in gen. Assuming that the otherwise somewhat odd use
of the gen. represents an instance of this type of construction, the verse
says: Those who are carried away on the flod of sensual pleasures, not
knowing thoroughly (pari) sensual pleasures, valuate highly repeated deaths
and repeated existences in samsara.

Personally I think this interpretation is preferable.

OP

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Kelly
Sendt: 4. februar 2006 06:09
Til: Pali@yahoogroups.com
Emne: [Pali] obscure verse


Dear friends,

Can anyone help me with the following difficult to translate verse
from the verses at the end of AN 5:55 (A iii 69)?

Tesa.m kaamoghavu.lhaana.m kaame aparijaanata.m,
Kaala.m gati.m bhavaabhava.m sa.msaarasmi.m purakkhataa.

Below is my stumbling effort at a word-by-word analysis:
tesa.m - those
kaamoghavu.lhaana.m - carried away on the flood of sensual pleasure
kaama – sensual pleasure
ogha - flood
vu.lhaana.m – carried away
kaame – sensual pleasures
aparijaanata.m – not fully understanding
kaala.m – black, dark
gati.m - destination
bhavaabhava.m - becoming and not-becoming ??
bhava - becoming
abhava.m - not-becoming
sa.msaarasmi.m – in sa.msaara
purakkhataa – honoured, preferred

I can't put the whole thing together though. All assistance greatly
appreciated.

With metta,
John







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