From: libris
Message: 8669
Date: 2005-08-21
> --- "Dmytro O. Ivakhnenko (äÍÉÔÒÏ ïÌÅËÓ¦ÊÏ×ÉÞ
> ¶×ÁÈÎÅÎËÏ)" <nibbanka@...> skrev:
>
> > "There is no argument that stream-entry is attainble
> > without jhana.
> > However further progress requires completion of
> > concentration
> > development"
>
> Well, if
>
> 1. sotapatti is the point of no return, and every
> sotapanna will by necessity become an arahant, and if
>
> 2. the jhanas are necessary for arahatta, but not for
> sotapatti,
>
> then it follows that a sotapanna, if he has not yet
> developed the jhanas necessary for arahatta, will do
> so regardless of our discussion.
>
> And if sotapatti is the point of no return, and
> arahatta an unavoidable consequence of sotapatti, than
> it's sotapatti that is the really important point.
>
> Gunnar
>
>
> gunnargallmo@...
>
>
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