Re: Traditional grammar 7 < Nina

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>N: I also went to p. 4 of his grammar. Good topic for discussion. Here there
>is the question of something that transforms into something else, if I
>understood correctly. The novice is made a monk.

Yes, this is a use of double accusatives, He makes X into Y, both X
and Y are put in the accusative. I found it on p. 6, in RG though.

Also with dhaareti, in expressions 'to consider X as Y', ex. upaasake
no bhagavaa dhaaretu, "may the Fortunate One consider us as disciples"

Another typical double accusative is with causative verbs. An example
from Saddaniiti is: puriso purisa.m kamma.m kaareti. "The man made
(another) man do the work".

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>R: Further, "he leads the goat to the village";
>> here the goat is the direct object / because of
>> its greater desirability (icchitatarattaa) to be
>> attained (pattum) through the action of leading
>> (nayanakiriyaaya) which has a dual object
>> (dvikammikaaya), 'village' however, because of
>> the lack of exertion, is the indirect object,
>> this method (applies) to the others as well.
>N: icchita: asked for, expected. What do you think of this? Thus, what is
>most obvious or to be expected. This seems to fit with your explanations. He
>leads the goat, but not the village and this is obvious.
>Nina.
>

This would fit, but I'm a bit hesitant to stop at this suggestion. I
suspect there is a more technical sense of icchita which is related
to how verb functions are explained, not that he's just generally
saying it's the one you'd expect, or the obvious one. I haven't had
time to look it up yet, but the answer might be in the kaaraka suttas
in the discussion of the 'patient' of action (i.e. before the level
when the patient gets put in the accusative case in sentences with an
active verb). I think I might have even seen something like this
there.

best regards,

/Rett