--- In Pali@yahoogroups.com, "Kåre A. Lie" <alberlie@...> wrote:

> At 23:51 23.01.2005 +0000, Sujato wrote:
> This is very interesting, since I have been writing a study (in

Norwegian)

> of the Madhyantavibhaga, where I also discuss this possible

connection

> between the alayavijnana and the bhavanga. Do you have an exact

source for

> this Vasubandhu reference?

Hello Kåre,


The ref is in the Karmasiddhiprakarana. I am using Stefan Anacker's
translation (Seven Works of Vasubandhu, Motilal, 1998), where the
title given is 'A Discussion for the Demonstration of Action'. The
sections is 35 (i am not quite sure if this numbering system is
peculiar to Anacker), pg. 114:

'The honourable Tamrapaniyas recognize this same consciousness,
calling it the consciousness that is the requisite for existence.
Others again (the Mahasanghikas) call it the 'root-consciousness'.'

Anacker in his note (note 60, pg 154) to this renders the Skt as
bhavaagravijnana, which is surely a mistake; the glossary at the end
(pg 326) gives bhavaangavijnana. Evidently the term bhavangacitta is
not used - i wonder whether bhavangavinnana is actualy found in the
Pali?

Incidentally, i am not quite sure of the status of the bracketed
(Mahasanghikas) - is this part of the text or Anacker's
interpolation?

The term is mentioned again in the discussion which follows. As i
mentioned, Vasubandhu is concerned to defend the concept of
alayavijnana against critics; he quotes the Samdhinirmocana
Sutra: 'It has not been taught by me to fools, so that they might
not imagine it to be a self'.

Despite Vasubandhu, there does seem, on the surface of it, to be an
important distinction between the bhavangacitta and the
alayavijnana: bhavanga is broken off on an occasion of 6 sense
consciousness, whereas the alayavijnana is a underlying substratum
of sense experience. Is this a correct understanding?


in Dhamma

Bhante Sujato

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