Hello Hasituppada, I fail to see how this excellent quote negates my position
that insight (vipassana) and absorption (jhana) are simply two sides of the
same coin. Although I can see that since insight (vipassana) and absorption
(Tranquility) (jhana) are dealt with separately, then one could interpret this
as the Buddha saying it is possible to develop one without the other. However,
this quote seems rather flimsy at supporting your position, because it does
not clearly say it is possible to develop one without the other.

Kindest regards,

Jeff Brooks

In a message dated 3/11/04 1:35:02 AM, Pali@yahoogroups.com writes:

<< Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:30:40 -0000
From: "hasituppada" <hasituppada@...>
Subject: Re: Common Misconceptions of Jhana

Jeffs opinion is his and does not concide with Buddha word !!!

ANGUTTARA NIKAYA- Book of the twos.11-TRANQUILITY AND INSIGHT


Two things O Monks, partake of supreme knowledge. What two ?
Tranquility and Insight.

If tranquility is developped , what profit does it bring ? The mind
becomes developed. And what is the profit of a developed mind ? All
lust is abandoned.

If insight is developed, what profit does it bring ? Wisdom becomes
developed . And what is the profit of developed wisdom ? All
ignorance is abandoned.

A mind defiled by lust is not freed; and a mind defiled by ignorance
cannot develop wisdom. Thus, O monks,through the fading away of
lust there is deliverence of mind ( to attain absorptions); and
through the fading away of ignorance there is deliverance by wisdom.
(to attain nibbana)

end of Sutta.

with metta,
Hasituppada. >>