Re: Russian ras=adin

Richard Wordingham wrote:

It is far less confusing to transliterate than to show the effects of a
strong stress.  In this case, the transliteration is 'odin'.  If you want to
emphasis that it is a spelling, put it in angle brackets, thus <odin>.  The
pronunciation should be shown between slashes (e.g. /adin/) if it is
phonemic, and in angle bracktes if more detailed, e.g. [V"din].

I've heard it enough times and it always sounds to me like adin, not odin not that it makes much
difference.

Similarly, we have <raz>.  I must admit that I would have expected it to be
heard as <ras> in isolation, but my experience of Russian is extremely
limited.

It sounds like "ras" to me to too. But again, since the Semitic word is like reshu, rashu, it does not
make much difference. There is really no reason why this word should pop up out of the thin
air. If anything, we would not expect two words for "one" and we'd expect "first" somehow to be
based one "one" e..g Turkic bir> birinci, English three>third, etc.

My pocket dictionary gives 'raz' as 'time' as in 'four times', or 'this
time', and goes to the trouble of giving dva raza 'twice', tri raza 'three
times'.  This does not seem very promising to me.

Whatever the reason the word is there. It is the anomoly that makes it interesting.

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Subject: [Nostratica] Russian ras=adin


>     Russian seems to have two words for "one"; adin/odin (which seems
> to be related to "one") and "ras" which is used in counting up e.g. ras,
> dva, tri,chitri,
>
> What is the likelihood that "ras" is from Semitic "head".
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