Re: Sumer-7

H.M. Hubey wrote:

> pdf file is attached.
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> Sumerian -u vs Turkic k V/a
> 1 ubur weibliche Brust (MSL, III, 145; D. 102), teats (Grd. 426;
> Falkenstein, 26)
> kögüz gög(üs (KBI., 274; EUsZ, 114; DLT, I, 366) krs, öbür id.
> (Lessing, 630)

Obviously ubur and öbür are a match, but kögüz is a surprise. However, I
found a few
strange matches of K=B (e.g. k,g,gh etc matching p,b,m etc) and I was
wondering if
there was something to it. Maybe this is a part of that.

>
> 2. ud day, time (in general) (Grd. 425), ud day (MSL, III, 136),
> Sonne, Tag, Zeit (D. 104) krs,. dKIN, hud id.
> kün gün, günes,, gündüz (DLT, I, 69); günes, (KBI., 300),gün,
> gündüz, (KBI., 301)

This is very interesting because I found many words that have the
clusters -nth- in which
sometimes the n disappears and the th changes to t, or d, etc. In others
the th has changed
to s/sh and the n is still there and it is hard to match things up with
this strange kind of
cluster mixing. I think this was one of my great finds. In this case, I
think the ud=kun has
to do with an -nth- > th > ...> d. One should also notice that earlier
Od (pass, e.g. passage
of time) was also connected with the passing of the sun up in the sky.
Here too I think the
root had -dh- and earlier -th- giving rise to others such as *adh >
ar/arma/ay (moon),
and the root *ath giving rise to words like aten/atun, ahura, athar,
adhar, etc.

>
> 3. ud 4. Sturm (D. 104)
> kad kar f?rt?nas?, insan?, öldüren bora tipi(DLT,II,223;III, 147),
> kay yag(mur ile dolu (Idr.74), (PdC.413), yag(mur, sag(anak, bora
> (YTSz. 131)

storm, snow and rain mixture, etc

kadh can be found in Clauson and was in existence not too long ago.
Notice that if we add
an initial k, and get *kudh, or *kuth we then have words like kussi
(winter/cold, Akkadian), kIsh (winter Turkic),
and words like kuy (to pour, Turkic), kus (vomit), kudruk (rear
end,where stuff pours out of),
and many more even ancient Greek e.g. something like kuthares (libation
vessel)

>
> 4. udu sheep (Gd. 427), udu Schaf (MSL, III, 111)
> ko? (<*koni)) koyun (ETY, KT, Kuzey Dog(u), koy koyun(KBI., 273

Turkic has koy, koyun, kong, etc for sheep.

> )
> 5. uma? Sumpf (D. 108), u4muh4 Schlamm der Flüsse (MSL,III, 217)
> kömek > gömek çamurlu, batakl?k yer, alan (DSz. 2149), kömük
> batakl?k (DSz. 2957)
> 6. umun Gewölk (D. 108; Falkenstein, 26)
> kümün men, person, people, another man, personality (Lessing, 501)
> 7. un people, folk (Falkenstein, 26; (D. 109)
> kün elgün, halk (KBI., 300)


>
> 8. ur to found, to lay foundation; establish (D. 112)
> kur- tertib etmek, düzenlemek, haz?rlemek; tasarlamak; tasarlamak
> (YTSz. 148)

kur means "to organize, to set up, to start up something, etc etc"
This word, may be at the root of kurgan.

>
> 9. ur to sweep away, to be swept over board (Grd. 429)
> kürü kürek gibi bir s,eyle atmak (YTSz, 151)

The word has many related forms having to do with digging, shoveling,
scratching etc
including the obvious kurek > sovok (shovel).

>
> 10. uru to look after, to protest (MSL, III, 146), to guard (Grd. 430)
> koru- korumak (KBI., 272)
> 11. urugal Grab (MSL, III, 143)
> kurgan Grabhügel (CC. 160-22), kurgan, kale (EUSz. 187); hisar
> kale (Ab. 328); kubbe (TZ, 2115, chAteau fort; la partie dune
> entouree dune enceinte (PdC, 427), kurgan, mezar (S,r. KI.107.
> 107-6) krs,. Amga Kurgan (ETY, KT, I, 58, I, 50)


>
> 12. us,an bird (Falkenstein, 28) krs,. mus,en id.
> kus, kus, (DLT, I, 22; KBI., 293)

kush=bird, and miraculously uch=to fly. Now some people claim that uch is
from Sanskrit uchakka, but cannot explain where all the extra phonemes went
if the root of this word if from Sanskrit. Some people think they can
make time
go backwards and defy the laws of entropy too.

>
> 13. us,ub Vogelnest (D.114)
> kus,+eb kus, evi=yuva Bkz. kus, yk., eb ev (ETY)

kush=bird, and eb=house thus kuseb=bird's nest


It looks like there was the sound change k>x>h>0 in Sumerian but Turkic
kept the initial-k.

I gave the example before of Akkadian QATUM (arm), Turkic kar, karIsh, etc.
Suppose the same changes occurred e.g. karum> xarum> arum> arm.

Where does 'arm' come from?



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