Re: sumer-6-2

H.M. Hubey wrote:

>
> . Sumerian -s vs Turkic -y, Ø
>
> 1. sar schreiben, (MSL, III, 113); to write (GRD, 403)
> yaz s,as,mak, yan?lmak, çözmek, yazmak (DLT, I, 192; II, 20; III,
> 59); naks,setmek, resmetmek, süsleyip bezemek (YTSz. 240), yaz?kç?
> mektup getirip götüren elçi (DLT, III, 55)

I posted on this in several places. Words like clay, scratching,
flattening clay, etc all words that have
to do with writing on clay can be shown to be derived from the same set
of words e.g

sadIr = clay, bog
saz = clay
Chuvash s'Ir=to write
KBal sIz = to draw
Turkish ser= to spread
Turkic caz/yaz =to write, but also "to flatten"

>
> 2. sig prime, good (Salonen, 22)
> yig yeg(, iyi, daha iyi (KBI., 543)
> 3. sig wool, body-hair (Grd. 405), Wolle (MSL, III, 111)
> yu? yün, yün sümeg(i, pamuk (DLT, I, 250)
> 4. silig (II, 2) Hand (D. 182)
> elig el (DLT, I, 72; 4KBI., 145)

This is complicated. If the PT initial p changed to bilabial fricative
and disappeared
then Turkic elig (ileg in Tatar I think) could be from *pilek or *pelik
(or *pileng or something
like it). Today bilek means "wrist, arm" etc. Today, Turkish el means
"hand". Now, Chuvash
has pilek (five) and CT has besh (five). I think it is clear that
root/original is pilek and not besh.

So it is hard to trace the sound changes. what could it be? p>..B> 0 and
p>t>s?
What is really interesting is that Chuvash tends to have s' where CT has
y or c. Could
there have been another path e.g. palatalized p?

>
> 5. sulu Weg (D. 178)), sil Weg, sila Strasse (MSL, III,
> 148),avenue, path, trail, road (Grd. 406) ~ tila id.
> yol yol, sefer, ani yola ç?kma (DLT, I, 53), yol, sefer (KBI., 551)

This is again problematic. Turkic yol (road) is likely related to the
root yu-/cu with the verbal
suffix -rV giving yUrU. Turkic verbal suffixes are -lV, -rV, -nV, and
sometimes -sV, -tV etc.

Considering Doerfer's reconstruction the root should be *du, and this is
exactly the word in
Sumerian. So the s in Sumerian came via another route. Since Turkic also has

yUz/cUz= to swim,
yul=riverulet, spring etc (see earlier)

it is possible that this originally referred to water transport. In
which case, the s in Sumerian
would refer to water e.g. Turkic su, conventionally *sub, but according
to me *thu- since
it already exists in Turkmen and the *th sounds also exist in Bashkir.

>
> 6. s,eg rain (Grd. 412)
> yag- yag(mak (DLT, I, 139; KBI. 513).

To rain down, to precipitate

>
> 7. s,ir singen und spielen, )MSL, III, 150) sir3 singen (D 183)
> y?r kos,ma, türkü, hava, ?r, musikide ?rlama, gazel (DLT,II, 14),
> s,ark?, türkü (EUSz, 294)

Kbal cIr=song

>
> 8. sis,,s,is,,s,es palace lady (D. 132)
> is,i princes, lady (EUSz, 99), es,i (ETY., I, 24); es, id.DTL, I, 47)

More evidence that the original was probably with *t or *th since female
in Turkic is
tishi, dishi. The later ishi, eshi, esh are likely to loss of initial
consonant.

>
> 9. s,ur wild, decapacitated (animal) (Falkenstein, 29)
> yoz  vahs,i, yavan, bayag(?, zararl?& (YTSz., 251); yoza-
> (K?sraktan bas,ka hayvan) k?s?r kalmak (DLT, III, 88)
> 10. s,urim half (MSL, V, 34)
> yar?m yar?m, bir s,eyin yar?s?, herhangi birs,eyin birs,eyin ikiye
> ayr?lm?s, olan parçalar?ndan her birisi (DLT, III, 19); yar?m
> (KBI., 526)

yarIm = half, from yar=to split (see earlier).

>
> 11. zag Grenze (MSL, III, 85), border (MSL, V, 70), shoulder, outer
> edge, boundary, border (Grd. 432)
> yaka taraf, yan, civar (EUSz, 280)
> 12. zal hell werden, glänzen (D.117)
> yal yal?nmak, alevlenmek (DLT, III, 63), yanmak (DLT, III, 65),
> yaldra- az ?s,?mak, az parlamak (DLT, III, 437), yaldruk, yaldr?k
> cilal?, parlak, süslü (DLT, III.432)

here is that root *yal again having to do with shining, catching fire, etc.

>
> 13. zalag glänzen; hell (D. 117)
> yal?? alev; yalç?n, sarp, ç?plak (YTSz, 232), ç?plak (EUSz, 282;
> KBI., 518; DLT, III, 373); yal?n alev(EUSz, 281; KBI., 517; DLT,
> III, 373)
>
>

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