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Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:32 AM
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Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
I have no idea what you are talking about. Please explain.
Gerry wrote:
Without a beginning and end,
your metrics turn into a semantic debate.
Gerry
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Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
Our problem is not that difficult.
tgpedersen wrote:
--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...> wrote:
> I am not sure I understand. I am only discussing creating
a
semantics
> metric for a short
> list of words. I only suggest that the short list size
be a power
of 2
> so that we can use
> binary/boolean concepts. Any list has to be finite
in order to be
> useful. We cannot
> handle infinity.
>
> Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>
> > Sorry. I'm not clear as to how you will deliniate
your "Hubey"
list.
> > If there is no final number, then the list should
exist
> > for infinity? Right?
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> > To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003
4:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement
rates
> >
> > No final number. This will work for
something like the Swadesh
> > list. There are other
> > ways to get semantic distances from dictionaries.
I would be
> > interesting to compare
> > them after they have been worked
out.
> >
> > Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
> >
> >> Interesting. Does that
leave the final number at infinity
(in
> >> the power of 2)?
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message
-----
> >> From: H.M. Hubey
<mailto:hubeyh@...>
> >> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
> >> <mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February
04, 2003 9:51 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nostratica]
Re: replacement rates
> >>
> >> IT would have to
be in powers of 2. I got started on 32
> >> already. We can double
it
> >> to 64, then 128.
We'd have to add 28 more to Swadesh
100.
> >> Then we can double
to
> >> 256, and we only
need 28 more for that.
> >>
> >> Gerry wrote:
> >>
> >>> Most interesting.
Yet based on Boolean ideas, how many
> >>> words would be
contained in renovating the Swadesh list?
> >>>
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original
Message -----
> >>> From: H.M.
Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> >>> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
> >>> <mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday,
February 04, 2003 6:01 AM
> >>> Subject:
Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
> >>>
> >>> There is
a shorter way. We can start with a subset
of
> >>> the Swadesh
list. Yakhontov
> >>> already has
a shorter version which has 35 words. A
> >>> simple metric
should probably
> >>> be based
on Boolean ideas. 32 is a good number
since it
> >>> is a power
of 2. I already
> >>> got started
but haven't had time to pay attention
to it.
> >>> If anyone
is interested, we can
> >>> collaborate.
> >>>
> >>> tgpedersen
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> --- In
Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey"
> >>>> <hubeyh@...>
wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
I think what linguistics needs is a "semantic
> >>>> metric".
I know how
> >>>> to
> >>>> >
derive at least two different
> >>>> >
ones from data but need time and money :-) I
think
> >>>> all linguists
> >>>> should
> >>>> >
appreciate the need for
> >>>> >
semantic metrics. It does not matter how many.
That
> >>>> could
always be
> >>>> >
worked out, fixed,
> >>>> >
repaired, improved etc. The trick is to get
going.
> >>>> >
> >>>> That
would require us to know some canonical
> >>>> development
of a
> >>>> canonical
set of concepts. That is a tall order.
> >>>>
> >>>> Torsten
If you are serious about your semantics metrics, I recommend
you read
some of Doug Lenat's articles on his program "Eurisko",
a program
that built a conceptual world from axioms of set theory
until it ran
into computational difficulties constructing prime number
theory. It
will give you a perspective on the problems at hand. They
can be
found in the journal "Artifical Intelligence" some time
in the early
eighties.
Torsten
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