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Wednesday, February 05, 2003 8:32 AM
Subject:
Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
I have no idea what you are talking about. Please
explain.
Gerry wrote:
Without a beginning and end, your
metrics turn into a semantic debate.
Gerry
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Sent:
Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:01 AM
Subject:
Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
Our problem is not that difficult.
tgpedersen
wrote:
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In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...>
wrote:
> I am not sure I understand. I am only discussing
creating a
semantics
> metric for a short
>
list of words. I only suggest that the short list size be a
power
of 2
> so that we can use
>
binary/boolean concepts. Any list has to be finite
in order to be
> useful. We cannot
> handle
infinity.
>
> Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>
> > Sorry. I'm not clear as to how you will
deliniate your "Hubey"
list.
> > If there is
no final number, then the list should exist
> >
for infinity? Right?
> >
> >
Gerry
> >
> > -----
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> >
From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
>
> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003
4:48 PM
> > Subject: Re:
[Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
> >
>
> No final number. This will work for
something like the Swadesh
> >
list. There are other
> > ways
to get semantic distances from dictionaries. I would be
>
> interesting to compare
>
> them after they have been worked
out.
> >
> > Geraldine
Reinhardt wrote:
> >
>
>> Interesting. Does that
leave the final number at infinity
(in
>
>> the power of 2)?
>
>>
>
>> Gerry
> >>
>
>> -----
Original Message -----
>
>> From:
H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
>
>> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
>
>> <mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
>
>> Sent:
Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:51 AM
>
>>
Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
>
>>
>
>> IT
would have to be in powers of 2. I got started on 32
>
>>
already. We can double it
>
>> to 64,
then 128. We'd have to add 28 more to Swadesh
100.
>
>> Then we
can double to
>
>> 256,
and we only need 28 more for that.
> >>
>
>> Gerry
wrote:
> >>
>
>>>
Most interesting. Yet based on Boolean ideas, how
many
>
>>>
words would be contained in renovating the Swadesh list?
>
>>>
>
>>>
Gerry
> >>>
>
>>>
----- Original Message -----
>
>>>
From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
>
>>>
To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
>
>>>
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
>
>>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:01 AM
>
>>>
Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
>
>>>
>
>>>
There is a shorter way. We can start with a subset
of
>
>>>
the Swadesh list. Yakhontov
>
>>>
already has a shorter version which has 35 words. A
>
>>>
simple metric should probably
>
>>>
be based on Boolean ideas. 32 is a good number
since
it
>
>>>
is a power of 2. I already
>
>>>
got started but haven't had time to pay attention
to
it.
>
>>>
If anyone is interested, we can
>
>>>
collaborate.
> >>>
>
>>>
tgpedersen wrote:
> >>>
>
>>>>
--- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey"
>
>>>>
<hubeyh@...> wrote:
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
> I think what linguistics needs is a "semantic
>
>>>>
metric". I know how
>
>>>>
to
>
>>>>
> derive at least two different
>
>>>>
> ones from data but need time and money :-) I
think
>
>>>>
all linguists
>
>>>>
should
>
>>>>
> appreciate the need for
>
>>>>
> semantic metrics. It does not matter how many.
That
>
>>>>
could always be
>
>>>>
> worked out, fixed,
>
>>>>
> repaired, improved etc. The trick is to get
going.
>
>>>>
>
>
>>>>
That would require us to know some canonical
>
>>>>
development of a
>
>>>>
canonical set of concepts. That is a tall order.
>
>>>>
>
>>>>
Torsten
If you are serious about your semantics
metrics, I recommend you read
some of Doug Lenat's articles
on his program "Eurisko", a program
that built a conceptual
world from axioms of set theory until it ran
into
computational difficulties constructing prime number theory. It
will give you a perspective on the problems at hand. They
can be
found in the journal "Artifical Intelligence" some
time in the early
eighties.
Torsten
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