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Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
Our problem is not that difficult.
tgpedersen wrote:
--- In
Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey" <hubeyh@...> wrote:
> I am not sure I understand. I am only discussing creating a
semantics
> metric for a short
> list of words. I only suggest that the short list size be a power
of 2
> so that we can use
> binary/boolean concepts. Any list has to be finite in order to
be
> useful. We cannot
> handle infinity.
>
> Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>
> > Sorry. I'm not clear as to how you will deliniate your "Hubey"
list.
> > If there is no final number, then the list should exist
> > for infinity? Right?
> >
> > Gerry
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> > To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement rates
> >
> > No final number. This will work for something like the
Swadesh
> > list. There are other
> > ways to get semantic distances from dictionaries.
I would be
> > interesting to compare
> > them after they have been worked out.
> >
> > Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
> >
> >> Interesting. Does that leave the final number at
infinity
(in
> >> the power of 2)?
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> >> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
> >> <mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 9:51 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement
rates
> >>
> >> IT would have to be in powers of 2. I got
started on 32
> >> already. We can double it
> >> to 64, then 128. We'd have to add 28 more to
Swadesh
100.
> >> Then we can double to
> >> 256, and we only need 28 more for that.
> >>
> >> Gerry wrote:
> >>
> >>> Most interesting. Yet based on Boolean
ideas, how many
> >>> words would be contained in renovating
the Swadesh list?
> >>>
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: H.M. Hubey <mailto:hubeyh@...>
> >>> To: Nostratica@yahoogroups.com
> >>> <mailto:Nostratica@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003
6:01 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Nostratica] Re: replacement
rates
> >>>
> >>> There is a shorter way. We can start
with a subset
of
> >>> the Swadesh list. Yakhontov
> >>> already has a shorter version which
has 35 words. A
> >>> simple metric should probably
> >>> be based on Boolean ideas. 32 is
a good number
since it
> >>> is a power of 2. I already
> >>> got started but haven't had time
to pay attention
to it.
> >>> If anyone is interested, we can
> >>> collaborate.
> >>>
> >>> tgpedersen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> --- In Nostratica@yahoogroups.com,
"H.M. Hubey"
> >>>> <hubeyh@...>
wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I think what linguistics
needs is a "semantic
> >>>> metric". I know how
> >>>> to
> >>>> > derive at least two different
> >>>> > ones from data but need
time and money :-) I
think
> >>>> all linguists
> >>>> should
> >>>> > appreciate the need for
> >>>> > semantic metrics. It does
not matter how many.
That
> >>>> could always be
> >>>> > worked out, fixed,
> >>>> > repaired, improved etc.
The trick is to get
going.
> >>>> >
> >>>> That would require us to know
some canonical
> >>>> development of a
> >>>> canonical set of concepts. That
is a tall order.
> >>>>
> >>>> Torsten
If you are serious about your semantics metrics, I recommend you read
some of Doug Lenat's articles on his program "Eurisko", a program
that built a conceptual world from axioms of set theory until it ran
into computational difficulties constructing prime number theory. It
will give you a perspective on the problems at hand. They can be
found in the journal "Artifical Intelligence" some time in the early
eighties.
Torsten
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