Thanks John. I'm so pleased you
responded. I was simply commenting on the map you placed in the files over
on Cybalist. Why does it look as though the arrows begin in a spot
"somewhere" in northern Africa? Have you since changed your mind?
Please help to set the record straight.
Now Mallory has also changed his mind (based on a
recent lecture he delivered here at Stanford) and places I-E in a broad stretch
of territory entending from Ireland/England in the NW down to Northern Africa
and sweeping over to Egypt through the Middle East to places further east while
encompassing much of Russia and areas inbetween.
I also heard Victor Mair deliver a lecture (last
week) at Stanford and he claims that Iranians were everywhere including China
(the Tarim Mummies) and even had a presence in Japan. I think Iranian is
synonymous with Aryan but please don't quote me.
Lamberg-Karlovsky has also changed his mind and has
moved his spot to someplace in Russia (could be someplace under a mushroom)
:-D
Does Renfrew still place the origins somewhere in
Turkey?
Hope to hear back from you,
Gerry
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:02 AM
Subject: [nostratic] Origins of I-E; was:
Re: Problems with Bomhard
Gerry,
No way do I locate the Urheimat of IE in
Morocco. I tend to be
convinced by Mallory's location in the
Ukrainian steppe north of te
Black Sea. Rather I see the
Afro-Asiatic/Nostratic languages sharing
a common origin in the Ateriuan
cultures of the Saharan pluvial
(30,000 BCE), with Nostratic being
confined to the Middle East after
Kebaran times (15,000 BCE), and
diseminiating with Mesolithic
cultures from the mountain belt stretching
from the Taurus to the
Zagros centred in the Zarzian culture 12,000
BCE.
Please don't misquote me.
Regards
John
--- In
nostratic@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:
>
> Gerry:
> >Dear Glennie,
> >Who is locating "the
homeland" north of the Black Sea other than
> >Madame Kuzmina (likely
built on info from Gimbutas who placed it in
> >the Russian
Steppe)?
>
> The sane people :)
>
>
>
>Ivanov and Gamkrelidze locate the Indo-Iranian motherland in
western
Iran.
>
> That's nice. They also posit ludicrous phonemes that
haven't gained
> acceptance
> at all, and their glottalic idea,
while typologically reasonable,
doesn't
> guarantee that the final
stage of IE had ejectives. It remains on
the fringe
> of IE studies.
When spoken in comparison to other IE theories, it
is most
> often
mentioned as a side-note or an afterthought.
>
>
>
>John Croft
>
> 'Nuff said. John's ideas are very unique to
the world. John seems
to be deep
> into the archaeology but hasn't
shown any deep understanding of IE
> morphology
> last time I
checked. When speaking of the IE language, there has to
be a
>
knowledge of the language first, archaeology second, not vice
versa.
Sorry,
> John. Just my sharp-tongued opinions again.
>
>
> >Renfrew has placed it in Turkey and Lamberg-Karlovsky in
Pakistan.
>
> But the question is why anyone would place it
there. Anatolian
peoples
> appear to be from elsewhere, displacing
original inhabitants of the
area.
> You'd expect loanwords back and
forth between IE and other Anatolian
> languages but where are
they??
>
>
> >Polosmak has placed it in the
Altai.
>
> Well, then. Who are we to argue with Polo... Polo-who?
Nobody
places it in
> the Altai Mountains unless they want to be
funny or lunatic.
>
>
> >In a recent lecture at
Stanford, J.P. Mallory identified the Indo-
European
> >homeland
not as a single geographic spot but as a sweeping swatch
of land
>
>extending from Ireland/GB in the north to N. Africa in the south
and
> >extending across Eurasia (via Egypt and the Middle East) to the
Altai,
> >Mongolia, and Russia. He didn't include China or other
East Asian
> >countries.
>
> And that is the least
sensical of all since the IE language must
surely have
> been in a
localized area at one time for it to be a parent of the
> languages now
in Europe and India! How on earth could a language
stay
> cohesive
across such a broad area? Get real.
>
>
> - love
gLeN
>
>
>
>
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