Re: IE thematic wovels

On Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:30:42, "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...>
wrote:

>In all, this is futile because you barely have ONE language to
>prove the inane assertion that "adjectival suffixes often become
>genitives". Apparently, they don't happen often enough for you
>to provide _clear_ examples.

In sum, the PIE adjectival suffix *-bho- has nothing to do with *-bhi.
It was a suffix which modified the preceding word (often an adjective
itself): X-bho- = "X-ish", which explains why in Tocharian it is only
used as the genitive of a limited number of adjectives.

I gave five clear examples of genitives derived from adjectives, and
there are many more (e.g. Basque gen. -ko, adj.suff. -ko).

>>>It's cute how you try to conceal important details with
>>>parentheses. Please stop writing "(a)" for all these roots.
>>
>>All the forms I gave are attested in the injunctive.
>
>So... you're asserting that these Sanskrit injunctive forms
>are directly inheirited from correlating *e-less IE forms. If not,
>then the injunctive is irrelevant to this discussion and /a-/
>remains.

For your information, the injunctive is formally identical to a past
tense without the augment (á-), like the Greek (Homeric) unaugmented
past tenses, or like the past tenses everywhere else outside the
dialectal area where an augment was added (Indo-Iranian, Armenian,
Greek, Phrygian).

>>>My point is that there could never be such a form as **bhr-óm.
>>
>>Utter nonsense. Have you really never heard of the injunctive?
>>Have you never heard of the Skt. Class VI thematic presents
>>tud-á-ti "he thrusts", pr.n-á-ti "he fills", etc. (with the root
>>in zero grade throughout, just as in the thematic root aorist
>>and the thematic s-aorist)?
>
>Have you never heard of the term "syllable"? Let's go over this
>simple problem: /tud-/ is syllabic (/u/ is a vowel) and /pr.n-/
>is syllabic (/r./ is a vowel) but *bhr- is not syllabic in
>**bhr-óm because *r is a CONSONANT.

Neither is the root syllabic in the forms you said were acceptable to
you (*e-bhr-óm, *bhe-bhr-óm, *bhi-bhr-óm). But you are correct that
verbs ending in -r tend to take gun.a in the root aorist ind. act.
(thematic or athematic), except in the 3pl., e.g. kr- (athem. root
aorist): (a-)kár-am ... (a-)kr-án.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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