On Sat, 01 Dec 2001 00:47:25, "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...>

>Miguel about Tocharian -epi:
>>It has nothing to do with *-bhi. See Douglas Q. Adams,
>>"Tocharian", p. 140 (it is related to forms like Greek argu-phos
>>"silverish", Lith. anksty-bas "early-ish", Gothic bairht-ba "brightly").
>Uh-unh. So, what would be the reflex of *-bhi?

In Tocharian? There is none. Tocharian lost all PIE case endings
except in the sg. N, A, V, G, in the du. NAV, G and in the pl. NV, A,

>Further, how
>do we tell the difference from your "adjectival" *-bhos and
>the *-bh(y)os actually used in the IE declensional system to
>mark another particularly non-genitive case?

We can tell because (1) *-bhios is plural, not singular (2) *-bhios is
dative/ablative, not genitive, (3) *-bhios is never added to o-stems,
as in Toch. B. -epi (*-o-bho + -eis), (4) *-bhios is a case marker,
not an adjectival suffix.

>>In Vedic, some 80 roots take this aorist (not <bhr> "to carry",
>>though: as I said, I used *bher- only as an example). E.g. (a)vidám "I
>>found" (*wid-ó-m), (a)dám "I gave" (*dh3-ó-m), (a)dhám "I put" (*dHh1-óm),
>>(a)sthám "I stood" (*sth2-ó-m),
>>(a)sadám "I sat" (*s[e]d-ó-m), (a)kradám "I cried out" (*k(W)rnd-ó-m), etc.
>It's cute how you try to conceal important details with
>parentheses. Please stop writing "(a)" for all these roots.

All the forms I gave are attested in the injunctive.

>accept that *bhr- was avoided here because it would have caused
>a paradigmatically obscure root. A root MUST contain at least
>ONE syllable throughout its paradigm.
>It would seem, at least in the case of Sanskrit, that *e- was
>yet another way of lending a syllable to an otherwise icky
>nonsyllabic root. My point is that there could never be such a
>form as **bhr-óm. Only forms like *ebhróm, *bhebhróm, *bhibhróm, *bheróm,
>etc. appear to be possible.

Utter nonsense. Have you really never heard of the injunctive? Have
you never heard of the Skt. Class VI thematic presents tud-á-ti "he
thrusts", pr.n-á-ti "he fills", etc. (with the root in zero grade
throughout, just as in the thematic root aorist and the thematic

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal