--- In nostratic@..., Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:10:19 -0000, "Knut" <aquila_grande@...>
> wrote:
> There are many more inflectional patterns (acrostatic, mesostatic,
> root-static; proterodynamic, hysterodynamic, amphidynamic,
> root-mobile). The pattern with end-stress is the hysterodynamic one
> (*ph2tér-s, *ph2tr-ós), not the thematic. The root-static,
> and mesostatic (collective) paradigms can be explained as arising
> originally mobile paradigms through the effect of long vowels in the
> first, first and second syllables, respectively, resulting in a nice
> picture of all mobile paradigms... And given the wide-spread
> occurrence of thematic paradigms like *bhorós and *bhóros, etc.,
> non-zero grade root vocalism and/or accent on the root, a "fixed
> end-stress" explanation of the thematic paradigm really doesn't seem
> to be the way to go.
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...


Yes, I am know that there are many stress patterns in IE. However,
what I think is that the pattern I described is the beginning of the
thematic wovel. I think this thing occured some time between the
Steppe Period and IE, before all those patterns found in IE were

There is perhaps a misunderstanding her: I do not claim that the
thematic wovel arose from nouns with end-stress.

What I think is that the roots were disyllabic, ending in a wovel.
Some of these I think had the stress fixed on the second wovel (what
I called the end root-wovel). This wovel was protected by its stress,
and gave rise to the thematic wovel.

Your example (*ph2tér-s, *ph2tr-ós) is in exxelent concordance with
my hypotesis, not as an example of a later thematic noun, but an

This noun I think originally had the stress on the penultimate
syllable. When considering that the genitive ending originally was
syllabic, originating from the Steppe ablative-ending -ta, the
development of this noun, according to my hypotesis is exactly what
you find in reality:

Nom ph2te`ros > ph2te`rs
Gen pht2tero`se > pht2ero`s

Whith the thematic wovel established, it sooner or later began to be
used as a meaning-bearing element. Then it was added to all types of
noun stems, with all types of stress pattern, in order to express
some meaning.