Heill Llama.

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@...>:

> > The letter <ø> is the result of u/w-mutation of earlier /e/.
>
> True in some cases...e.g. søkkva, røru, where the /e/ goes back to
> Proto Norse, and gøra < *garwjan--where the /e/ was the i-umlaut
> of /a/.
>
> But sometimes it has a different origin. Other sources of <ø>:
>
> i-umlaut of /o/, as in kømr.
> i-umlaut of hooked-o, as in høggr (inf. höggva).
>
> Llama Nom

Right. Essentially, if the ø (sometimes called ø2) resulting from
both i- AND u-umlaut of a was pronounced differently than the ø
resulting from i-umlaut of o, then ON had 10 vowels, not 9 (which
includes the short, long, and long nasalized vesions) ;)

Konrad

>
>
> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Patricia,
> >
> > A lot of books/editions/texts spell both "hooked o" and <ø> as

in

> > Modern Icelandic: <ö>. In certain words though, <ø> later

became

> > <e>, and is so spelt in some editions of Old Norse texts too.
> >
> > kømr > kemr "comes" (modern: kemur)
> > øfstr > efstr "highest, last"
> > gøra > gera "do"
> >
> > søkkva > sökkva "sink"
> > hj(hooked-o)rr > hjörr
> >
> > When texts that do make a difference between "hooked o" and <ø>
> are
> > transcribed and put on the internet, the "hooked o" is often
> > represented by <ö>, which seems logical, as this letter would
> > otherwise be sitting around doing nothing, so:
> >
> > søkkva > sökkva "sink"
> > hjörr > hjörr
> >
> > The letter <ø> is the result of u/w-mutation of earlier /e/.
> While
> > hooked-o is the u/w-mutation of earlier /a/. If that helps...
> >
> > Similarly the ligature <oe> appears as <æ> in a lot of editions

of

> > Old Norse texts, especially on the the internet, just as in the
> > modern language. Cleasby & Vigfusson spell both <æ>. Zoega
> > distinguishes them, but doesn't separate them alphabetically--
> which
> > is handy for looking up if you're not sure which it is.
> >
> > Llæma Nöm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "Sarah Bowen"
> <sarahbowen@...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi Patricia,
> > >
> > > Yes, it doesn't seem to matter what software a computer uses -
> > none of us seem able to find the ON "o" with a little squiggle
> > underneath. Like you, I use ø instead when posting up passages
> from
> > Auðun.
> > >
> > > Kveðja,
> > > Sarah.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Patricia
> > > To: norse_course@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 12:19 AM
> > > Subject: [norse_course] Hmmmm this book by Anthony Faulkes
> > >
> > >
> > > EDDA - Skáldskaparmál and volume two which is the Glossary
> and
> > Index of names.
> > > my PC does the "strange little letters" like á ð etc, but

in

> > this book here I have a little o with a wiggle underneath it
> > t'would be a cedilla maybe well PC don't do that, could I use ø
> > instead, or would it look daft, any advice gratefully received
> > > Patricia
> > > The character map has cedilla thingies for other letters
> wonder
> > why not the o
> > >
> > >
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