----- Original Message -----
From: "Lazarus Black" <lazarus@...>
To: <norse_course@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: [norse_course] Re: Jed re 'konungr'


> I am not a cunning linguist, so forgive me, but I have been considering
the
> following which seems to me to have some sense to it:
>
> /kon/ may be related to /ken/ which has the connotation of 'knowledge' and
> 'knowing'. This may (or may not be) supported by Rigsthula which has the
> ultimate child named Kon, who is then taught all the important skills and
> knowledge by the god Rig (Heimdall) himself to lead his tribal nation
onward
> into destiny.
>
> Ing has been suggested to have the meaning of 'seed/soul/core value' and
not
> just 'people' or 'descendants'. This might make the Vikings those who are
> the 'souls/seeds of the rivers' and the Volsungs those who are the
> 'souls/seeds of the valiant'. The Thuringi, then may be those who the
> 'souls/seeds of Thor' and the Gothic tribe the Tirvingi those who are the
> 'souls/seeds of Tyr'.
>
> Konungr may be those who are the 'souls/seeds of skill/knowledge'. In the
> poetry, sagas and literature (esp. Rigsthula) it is quite clear that the
> Kings were supposed to be better at everything that another person - it is
> by those qualities that a King may be found out among them. Of course,
this
> could simply be defined as the authors and poets buttering up their
patrons
> for more coinage.
>
> Anyway - this is just my 2-cents. Don't beat me up too badly.
>
> -Laz
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "xigung" <xigung@...>
> To: <norse_course@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:58 AM
> Subject: [norse_course] Re: Jed re 'konungr'
>
>
> > --- In norse_course Marco Moretti wrote:
> >
> > > Sagas are full with similar
> > > names of families ending in -ingar (pl.) and derived from the name of
> > > a common ancestor. We find similar denominations for folks in Gothic,
> > > Vandalic, Longobardic (Greotungi, Tervingi, Hasdingi, etc...)
> > > It has nothing to with /ungr/ "young" which comes from /jung-/ and
> > > has initial /j-/ regularly disappeared.
> > >
> >
> > Does that mean that the vikings descended from a man named "Vik"?
> >
> > I, for one, thought the Norsemen had no family names,
> > but only used the father's name. (going back only one generation)
> > I have seen it applied to dynasties, though.
> > Possibly modeled after Carolingians, Merovingians etc.
> >
> > Regards
> > Xigung
> >
> >Thanks Lazarus
I want to know about the derivation of
words and elements in words not only for their intrinsic interest, but also
because I will be dealing with them in a seminar/workshop on the developent
of the English language. I don't think we'll get to this level of meaning,
but it's just as well to have foreknowledge and I appreciate the
contribution you and others have made on the this topic
Cheers
Jed

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