From: sjuler
Message: 3675
Date: 2003-09-25
> Haill Sjurd.Old Swedish had the u ending for some time, I am sure (in pronouns
>
> --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "sjuler" <sjuler@...> wrote:
> > "hin mangu mál swíþiauþar"
> >
> > The u ending in 'mangu' is quite interesting here. We still see
> this archaism in Modern Dalska:
> >
> > "Ollû mol sos irå täläðû ô Aislande ir iett!"
> > "All langauges which are spoken on Iceland is one!"
>
> I was having fun with Gutnish words above. More rightly, I should
> have either 'hin mang mál swíþiauþar' or an older 'hin mangu málu
> swíþiauþaR'. The reason are 1) 'allr' never declines weak, as the
> final -u suggests where no -u follows 'mál', and 2) final -u most
> likely fell from 'mangu' at the same time it fell from 'mál', or
> nearly so. In Dalska, the final -û in 'ollû' given above is hardly
> likely to have lived from the wiking time unto this day.
> lived all the while, one would be looking to see 'molû' as well,No, not necessarily. E.g. in Swedish the -r ending is not preserved
> following the spelling above.
> new to pick up olden sounds once fallen from or grown in new ways.Swedish did (I give real examples later when I have accessed my
> To the best of my knowledge, no tongue of Sandinaujô kept final -u
> is such steads beyond the early wiking time.
>time,
> > Note that the u ending is nasalized: û.
>
> If so, then the ending could hardly have lived from the wiking
> as the tongues of that time had this -u from earier Germanic *-ô.No
> nasal followed the *-ô, either in First-Germanic or in First-Norse.OK, my etymology was incorect; no -un, -ung or -um then. But we know
> A new growth has taken place in Dalska here.
>looks
> > It should be noted that in Dalska, 'a' before 'll' has become a
> short version of a 'á' (similar to that some Icelanders
> write 'lángur' instead of 'langur'). If writing Dalska with a
> standardized spelling, one would thus get (using 'h' to denote
> nasalization - remember that Dalska has lost the h sound and that
> the nasalization reveals that an n is lost - which graphically
> like h!):Another Dalska example: 'hallda' > 'ollda' (stand. spell. 'állda') -
>
> Vowels were lengthened widely in West Norse before L in many steads
> in the 11th and 12th christian ages. Thus it is that folk sayeth on
> olden skins 'skáld'.
>So av eð werið frô dyö Ingguov byggde syöðer (?) i Rätsjwaik.
> > "Álluh mál sos éru tælæþuh áh Íslande ér eett!"
>
> Suá hæfir þat uerit frá þuí Ingólfr bygþi suþr í Ræykjaruík.
>Kweða,
> Kuæþja,
> Konráþr.
>
>
>
> > Sklär,
> > Sjurd
>
> > --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "konrad_oddsson"
> > <konrad_oddsson@...> wrote:
> > > hin mangu mál swíþiauþar:
> > > The many tongues of Sweden:
> > >
> > > http://ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=Sweden
> > >
> > > Swedish: 93%
> > > Dalska (first on list): 1,500 speakers
> > > Gutniska (listed under Swedish): 5,000 + 10,000 othertongue
> > speakers)
> > >
> > > Gutniskir laikar (Gotneskir leikar/Gotneskar íþróttir):
> > >
> > > http://www.gotland.net/stangaspelen/gutnlek.htm
> > >
> > > Góþar farþir (Gutniska) (bare in mind: middle þ always = ð)
> > > Góðar ferðir (Íslenzka)
> > >
> > > Konráðr