Re: runic numbers

Sæll Andreas!

--- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Zautner
<andreas.zautner@...> wrote:

> Sæll Konrad,
>
> Congratulations.
> I think your 'rýniska' has a good chance to become the
> todays Standard-Futhark.

Thank you for your interest and support.

> But I think we should also add Runic numbers.
> I found only this page with a runic calender or should I better
> say almanac: http://www.arild-hauge.com/runekalender.htm

I read the articles about numbers and calenders.

> These runic numbers seem to be based on the roman decimal
> system we use nowadays, and not on the old system
> based on the dozen.

Yes, I see what you mean.

> Perhaps someone knows other sources
> about runic numbers?

Good question. Are there any sources for native Nordic numbering? If
there are no sources, then I would look to India for information
about the pre-Judeo-Roman numbering of Indo-Europeans. I ask anyone
who may have information about native Norse numbering to please post
it on Norse_Course. Information about calenders would also be great.


Kveðja,
Konráð.

>
> Kveðja
> Andreas
>
>
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 11:09:38 -0000
> > From: "konrad_oddsson <konrad_oddsson@...>"

<konrad_oddsson@...>

> > Subject: Re: Konrad's Runes - about 'rýniska'
> >
> > Sæll Jón!
> >
> > --- In norse_course@yahoogroups.com, "jonaegilsen
> > <jonaegilsen@...>" <jonaegilsen@...> wrote:
> > > Greetings Konrad! I think the runes are very exellent.

Briliant.

> > It is I think very much better than the latin letters. You

should

> > have some award from Scandinavia for this. I am waiting to buy

books

> > from your name. But I do not see your Ord Hervarar in runes so

far?

> > >
> > > Jon
> >
> > Thank you for your interest. 'Rýniska' is just strait Viking Age

Old

> > Norse punctuated to very Old Icelandic. The 16 runes are not

new. We

> > can thank our ancestors for them. The idea of punctuation is not

new

> > either. The 'rýniska' characters for natural E and Y from U are

also

> > old developments from the later Viking Age. 'Rýniska' is

not 'new' -

> > it is simply a way of punctuating which is consistent with

modern

> > linguistic knowledge about the origins and character of Old

Norse.

> > The different spellings for short and long O (and their

mutations),

> > for instance, can be seen on old runestones. The only

thing 'new'

> > in 'rýniska' is that we employ one set of historic O-spellings

(åu)

> > when the sounds descend from Proto-Norse Ó and another (u) when

the

> > sounds descend from Proto-Norse U/Ú. My goal is not to be

original,

> > but rather to write Old Norse like Old Norse - as the Norse of

the

> > Viking Age did, but with phonetic and etymological precision.

Think

> > of it this way: King Gormr, as well as any other Norse-speaker

who

> > understood runes 100 years before or after his time, would be

able

> > to read and understand 'rýniska' without any instruction. We

could

> > simply hand him a book and say 'read' - after a few chapters,

the

> > punctuation would explain itself. While it is true that King

Gormr

> > might not always be sure as to WHY we spell certain words the

way we

> > do, he would nevertheless understand them. Gormr spoke better

Norse

> > than we do today, but we possess the modern linguistic

understanding

> > required to write his language correctly and to make it 'sing'

from

> > the printed page. Our modern linguistics is also far in advance

of

> > what any Catholic-educated scribe from the middle ages would be

able

> > to understand. We have no need of preparing hides or picking

berries

> > to write. We have no need for a foreign alphabet. What we have

is a

> > refined modern linguistics combined with superior technology -

thus

> > it has fallen to the folk of our time to write Norse the right

way.

> > In doing so, we honour those from whom we inherited both the

tongue

> > and the characters it is written in. If you consider how superb

our

> > ancestors´ technology was for its time and how fine their

craftsman-

> > ship was, then it is not difficult to see that they would

understand

> > and approve of a refined way of writing their own language. What

is

> > most important is that they would be able to read it for

themselves.

> > I would call 'rýniska' a tool for allowing our ancestors to

speak

> > for themselves through their own letters. I would also call it

an

> > educational tool for modern speakers and readers of Norse - like

the

> > Latin, it is easy to read; unlike the Latin, it displays the

true

> > history of the language, enabling the 'man in the street' to

under-

> > stand his tongue better without the benefit of a formal

education. I

> > suspect that King Gormr would agree with this approach. The

langskip

> > was not only elegant and attractive, it was also superior

technology

> > at sea - so should a system of writing be. Today we have the

tools

> > to do justice to our ancestral tongue and make our ancestors

smile.

> >
> > Regards,
> > Konrad.
> >
>

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