Re: Mapping the Origins and Expansion of the Indo-European Language

From: mikewww7
Message: 71822
Date: 2014-10-24

There is new news as far as male lineage (Y chromosome) tracking for European lineages and autosomal DNA tracking.

Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) is an autosomal DNA pattern found in a 24,000 year old Upper Paleolithic forager from South Central Siberia known as Mal'ta boy. Mal-ta boy was of the Y DNA type R*. R* would be the ancestral Y chromosome lineage that would be shared by the majority of European descendant men today.

The following is from a presentation this October 12th by Dr. Mike Hammers, a research scientist and Director of the University of Arizona Genetics Core (UAGC).
Decennial Conference on Genetic Genealogy – Sunday | Ancestor Central

 

Dr. Hammer said, "Hg R1b has not yet been found in ancient European contexts prior to a Bell Beaker burial from Germany (4.8-4.0 kya), and the related R1a lineage has a first known occurrence in a Corded Ware burial also from Germany (4.6 kya). The late introduction of these paternal lineages, which now predominate in Europe corresponds to the autosomal signal of the Asian/Eastern European steppe invaders into western Europe.

The different timing and extent of NYR and mtDNA discontinuities may reflect sex-specific processes such as the wholesale replacement of farming men by men with horses and swords."


European R1b is found most heavily in former Celtic lands but also Italic lands and to some degree mixed with R1a in Germanic lands. R1a is also found heavily in Slavic speaking territories and into Central Asia moving south to India.


Regards,

Mike W


---In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, <mwwdna@...> wrote :

There are a number of papers released on the Y haplogroup R1b over the last couple of years. It's high frequency areas are focused on Western Europe, but there are early (ancient) branches of it found in Eastern Europe and even in Anatolia. Some of the papers contend that the higher diversity (versus frequency) and the presence of the earlier branches as indicative of Southwest Asian origin.

If you add the two distant paternal lineage relatives together, R1a and R1b, you get a very high degree of coverage of IE languages. I'm not proposing that either of these two lineages originated PIE but they seemed to have picked it up and expanded with it to a great extent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R1b_haplogroup
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R-M420_%28Y-DNA%29

Regards,
Mike W

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham" wrote:
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> R1b looks south- and west-European, rather than IE. Just to confuse things, R1b is Caucasian and is strong in Armenian, and might even have been significant amongst Hattic speakers!
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> The IE Y-haplotype is R1a1a (not a stable name), but the association peters out in speakers of Germanic and Southern Slavic, and is strongly missing for Celtic, Italic, Albanian, Greek and Armenian. R1a1a evidence might be interpreted as supporting the out-of-India expansion of IE! However, there is also an interpretation as an outrageous coincidence.
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> Richard.
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