fish/variegated

For more about the fish/variegated connection and their root(s), see:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/cybalist/conversations/messages/5998


Since the buttons, etc., on yahoo groups seem to have changed since I last used them, I'll mention this was written in connection to my previous message:

Cognates suggest IE origin:

* firsungaz

> fjörsungr = greater weaver [fish] OIc ON; *pIstroNgU = trout Slav; pstra,g Pol;

Also, since *pIstroNgU = trout Slav; obv. << *pIstrU = variegated Sl;

it's probably also seen in:

piçáNga- = variegated V S;

Since there's no reason to think a different suffix existed in fjörsungr and:

hæ:ring OE; herring E;

this suggests IE origin of -u/i/a- (at least), as in OHG;

anut\anat\enit OHG; Ente NHG; eend Du; ened = duck OE;

and other Gmc. words.


This shows neither alt. in:

kuning OHG; konungr ON; king E;

is older, just as:

Mímungr = (a sword) ON; Tirfingr = (a magic sword)

etc.


I'll say more later.  I earlier wrote:

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Trond Engen <trond@...> wrote:

>
> dgkilday57:
>
> >> propinquus (adj) = near L;
> >>
> >> [...]
> >
> >> Since propinquus is obv. contaminated by analogy w an older
> >> *propi, an older *pronkWos < *prokWnos < *prokWinos is likely (like
> >> *perkWinos > *perkWnos > *kWerkWnos > quernus ( < quercus < * ).
> >> Depending on timing, a regular change of p-kW in either direction is
> >> possible if pC- and kWC-blocking are part of the rule (as I already
> >> wrote long ago), but that's based on a small sample of each possible
> >> occurrence, and seems too complicated and much more unlikely
> >> considering other opt. changes for kW that I've seen in L. (and in
> >> many other IE). The existence of a tendency for these opt. changes,
> >> in some, but not others, very common to the point of possibly being
> >> regular within a lang., while obv. opt. in another, makes much more
> >> impossible to say.
> >
> > Again, your prose is as clear as mud. The ending of <propinquus> and
> > <longinquus> corresponds to that of Skt. directional adjectives like
> > <praty-a'c-> 'turned backwards, facing west' and <ny-a'c-> 'directed
> > downwards' (full grade <-an~c->). The root appears to be the same as
> > in Skt. <a'n~cati> 'turns, goes' which is commonly (but erroneously
> > in my view) referred to PIE *h2ank- 'bend'. I believe the correct
> > root is *h1enkW-, which is also found in Lat. <inquit>.

>
> Is there no connection to the Germanic suffix -inguz?
>

That's usually given as *-ingaz , though it also appears a few other ways, like *-ungaz :


kuning OHG; konungr ON; king E;

Mímungr = (a sword) ON; Tirfingr = (a magic sword)

fjörsungr = greater weaver [fish] OIc ON; *pIstroNgU = trout Slav; 
vs
hæ:ring OE; herring E;


which, considering all the supposed cases of "laryngeal hardening" in Gmc., should be eq. to *-ixYnos ( > -i:nus in L, etc.).