Re: Portuguese, Spanish bode "buck"

2013/3/25, Tavi <oalexandre@...>:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>
>> A Celtic origin would be phonetically implied by a comparison with
>> Bavarian butz, butzel 'person or animal charatcterized by a short and
>> thick form' < Germanic *butti-z, *buttila-z < PIE *bhud-n'i-s,
>> *bhud-n'i-lo-s: PIE *bhud-n'i-s > Celtic *buddi-s >
>> Proto-Ibero-Romance *bodde
>>
>> > Besides of phonetically convoluted (I'm Sean's opposite with regard
> to this),
>>
>> *Bhr.: I hope You are able to explain how Your "link to NEC
>> *bHe:mtts^y 'deer, mountain goat' (NCED 258)" can be less "convoluted"
>>
>> > In this word, I guess the Proto-NEC lateral affricate would
> correspond to a
>> > dental stop in the Basque (*piti-) and Romance (bode) forms. In
> fact, those
>> > consonants are somewhat similar to PIE palato-velars in which
> they're
>> > reflected as lateral fricatives in some languages and velar stops in
> others,
>> > as discovered by Trubetzkoy in the '30s.
>>
>> *Bhr.: I'm afraid I haven't understood (especially how can it be less
>> convoluted than a correspondence Celtic /dd/ to Proto-Ibero-Romance
>> /dd/);
>>
> It's precisely your supposed Kluge's Law in Celtic which gave this /dd/.

*Bhr.: Let's take German Butze at its face value: /tts/ (< Germanic
*/tt/) in order to explain Ibero-Romance /d/ < either /dd/ or lenited
/t/; now, everyone realizes that the distance between Ibero-Romance
/d/ and German /tts/ isn't greater than the one between Ibero-Romance
/d/ and *bHe:mtts^y: if we add that Castilian-Portuguese /o/ (neither
from /au/ nor from short /o/) is closer to German /u/ than to */e:/,
we necessarily conclude that, however "convoluted" an etymology from
PIE *bhud'nis can be, it's less so than one from *bHe:mtts^y

> Anyway, you demonstrated your proposed IE etymology and this word are
> homonymous in German.
>

*Bhr.: therefore semantically no more misfit