Re: Portuguese, Spanish bode "buck"

From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 71116
Date: 2013-03-25

2013/3/25, Tavi <oalexandre@...>:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
> <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:
>>
>> A Celtic origin would be phonetically implied by a comparison with
>> Bavarian butz, butzel 'person or animal charatcterized by a short and
>> thick form' < Germanic *butti-z, *buttila-z < PIE *bhud-n'i-s,
>> *bhud-n'i-lo-s: PIE *bhud-n'i-s > Celtic *buddi-s >
>> Proto-Ibero-Romance *bodde
>>
>> > Besides of phonetically convoluted (I'm Sean's opposite with regard to
>> > this),
>>
>> *Bhr.: I hope You are able to explain how Your "link to NEC
>> *bHe:mtts^y 'deer, mountain goat' (NCED 258)" can be less "convoluted"
>>
> In this word, I guess the Proto-NEC lateral affricate would correspond to a
> dental stop in the Basque (*piti-) and Romance (bode) forms. In fact, those
> consonants are somewhat similar to PIE palato-velars in which they're
> reflected as lateral fricatives in some languages and velar stops in others,
> as discovered by Trubetzkoy in the '30s.


*Bhr.: I'm afraid I haven't understood (especially how can it be less
convoluted than a correspondence Celtic /dd/ to Proto-Ibero-Romance
/dd/); beside that, I miss the explanation about root vocalism


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>
>> > semantically is misfit. In fact Low German butt (> German Butt, Butte,
>> > Bütte) from Middle Low German/Middle Dutch bot[te], but[te], applies to
>> > flat fishes such as 'perch' (OHG agabu:z, High German Butz(li)).
>>
>> *Bhr.: You have picked up German Butzen 'bit, impurity, dross; core',
>> compared by Kluge (-Krause-Götze, 11th ed., 1934, pp. 114 and 115)
>> with Butt(e) 'brill', and demonstrated (or stated) that it's another
>> word / has nothing to do with Butze 4 'Lämmchen' (Grimm II 591), which
>> is the only one I was meaning (weren't You so deeply persuaded I'm
>> a priori wrong, You would probably have made an extra effort to check
>> among German homophones)
>>
> I'm not "deeply presuaded" of anything, but my Kluge's is 23th edition the
> last is 24th), and yout Butze isn't related to Low German butt but likely to
> Romance bode.
>

*Bhr.: that's precisely my proposal (and sorry for my bad English)


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