Re: Stacking up on standard works

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <sean@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "dgkilday57" <dgkilday57@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > and PIE *k(^)wi-twa-ti- should give Grk. *tisatis,
> > >
> > > Wrong. Besides, those who connect isátis and woad assume borrowing >> G.
> > >
> > To clarify, kYw > kWw ( > etc.) appears true (-q- in Myc), but not kw (if, as likely, kapnías = smoky () is conn. to {kapniya()} Myc = chimney).
> >
> > Also, kYw- > kWw- > kW- seems to give k / p / t before i , not just t:
> >
> > çvíndate: = glare / gleam S;
> > Píndaros = (name; "Fair" ?) G;
> > Píndos = (mt; "White(-Capped)" ?) G;
>
> Pindar was Aeolic, so his native dialect would have had *pi- from both *kWi- and *k^wi-, against Attic-Ionic *ti-. Cf. Aeol. _phe:r_ 'wild beast', _bana:_ 'woman'.

I know G dia. had dif. tendencies for the outcome, not all necessarily reg., but even if native, there's no reason to say it came from one with t-.


Another problem is it was posited from * wis- and you gave -tw- > -s- for no reason, since G sometimes kept s:

gáu\gáo = lie, gu- = false OIr; gau W; gausós = crooked G;

smû:ros = eel, mú:raina = lamprey G; maorach = shellfish Ir;

smúrne: \ múrra: Aeo = myrrh G;

>

On the equivalence of the *kW- and *k^w- series in Greek,

>

They usually did, but sometimes not. Most apparent irreg. is solved by allowing opt. Cw > Cuw , etc., before whatever assim. :

* kYu-wó:n > * ku-wó:n > kúo:n G;
* kYwó:n > * kYyó:n > s^un Ar;

* kWiyexY- > quie:tus L;
* kWyexY- > s^iya:ti- = well-being OP;
* kWyexY- > s^(y)a:ta- = happy Av;
* kWixY- > poc^iti = rest (v) OCS;

* snoygWyo+ > noegeum L;


Since X noeveum didn't occur, but quie:tus not X cie:tus , it's opt. in L; prob. in all.

>

see Hamp's etymology of _parthenos_ 'virgin' from *bHr.g^H-wenos 'fit to be protected' (or 'elevated', like a virgin on a pedestal).

>

That etymology is reaching and unnec. Conn.:

eu-thené:s = in abundance G; yo-gn = numerous/abundant Ar; a:-hanás- = swelling S; a:-ganis^ = full P;
(note Ar shows opt KW>Kw before K() > KY / _ e )
(note Pers shows opt KW retained not K() > KY / _ e )
or
(note Ar and Pers show opt KWe>ö>o )

or

* sgWHeno+ > sthénos = strength, * n-sgWHeto+ > áskhetos G; azgata- = not to be held in Av;
(note G shows opt KW>K/T / _ e (or dia.))
(note Av shows opt KW retained not K() > KY / _ e )
or
(note Ar and Pers show opt KWe>ö>o )

with pará \ pár = near

as "nearly abundant / full OR strong > almost adult"

is old and preferred.

> > çvítna- \ çvitn[i]yá- = white S;
> > Titáne: \ Pitáne: Lac = (name; "Fair" ?) G;
> > Títaros = (mt; "White(-Capped)" ?) G;
> >
> > and parallel but opposed in phon. to your *k(^)wi-twa-ti- > *tisatis, Pok. gives sim. to (though it easily might not be right):
> >
> > *kYwitwnxó+s > *kYwitwëno+s > títanos \ kíttanos (f\m) = chalk G;
> >
> Possibly _kittanos_ is a K-Illyrian form showing *-tw- > -tt-.
>

Are you sure Greek dia. tw is well enough understood to req. borrowing? It could be w-w>_ dis. (t_ > tt).