Re: On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

Xouthos and Xanthos are synomys and clearly doublets.There's no PIE syllabe that explain a double -ou- and -an-, making me guess a proto-form *Xonthos. Before -s-, *on- > -ou- (cf. *odonts > *odons> odous), but not before -th.
If we try to find a PIE etymology for <xanthos>, we's try *ksandHo-, while xouthos <*ksoudHo-, *ksoXedHo, *ksoXodHo-, where "X" is any dropped stop ('-F-,-y-,-s-). That's why it couldn't be a regular IE>"regular" Greek development, whilst it may be dialectal or from another IE language.

JS Lopes

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Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

I still have serious difficulties to understand why "Xanthos/Xouthos display a non-IE doublet": I agree they display - if related, which isn't assured - a non-Greek doublet, but this is entirely different from a non-IE one, and the difference is quite crucial (unless one knows a non-IE language where both lexemes, xanthos and zouthos, are attested)

2013/1/31 Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>

Yes, I agree, it's just an attempt to find any clue. Xanthos/Xouthos display a non-IE doublet. If Xanthos is "Pre-Greek", to find a doublet anthropos/*outhropos would point the same dialectal origin.

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Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

Yes, of course; my question could be understood in this perspective: while /sk-/ is unexpected in some phonotactic environments in English (whence the welcome solution of a Scandinavian origin, from independently well attested languages), /-anthr-/ doesn't show any non-Greek outcome, does it?

2013/1/31 Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>

As I said, it's just a speculation, a vague possibility, a sugestion. For example, in ENglish many words with initial sk- have Scandinavian origin. Many Greek etnomyms has the -ops suffix, Dolopes, Dryopes, *Pelopes, that could be the same as -o:p- in anthro:pos.

JS Lopes

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Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

Is there anything particular in the sequence -anth(r)- as to suggest a separate dialectal origin?

2013/1/31 Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>

I didn't say it! I didn't mean to explain panther and xanthos as cognates of anthropos. I've just included it as examples of word that could have the same dialectal origin. And I pointed the doublet -anth-/-outh- in xanthos/xouthos as a vague possibility for looking for dialectals variations of anthropos.

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Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

I fail to imagine how one could explain /p-/ in panthe:r, /ks-/ in xanthos, /k-/ in kanthos etc.; as for *outhro:pos, good luck! Surely You'll find it

2013/1/31 Joao S. Lopes <josimo70@...>

I picked a bunch of words with same sequence (-anth-), maybe some of them have the same origin as word anthro:pos:
kantharos "beetle", panthe:r "leopard", xanthos "yellow, brown" (= xouthos), kanthos "eye's corner, akanthos "spine, thorn" It's interesting the alternation xanthos/xouthos, that doesn't seem IE (xouthos < *xonthos?). If we find a doublet *outhro:pos for anthro:pos? With -inth- there's minthos and plinthos. Kantharos akin to Skt gandha- "smell", in a sense of stinky insect?
JS Lopes

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Assunto: Re: [tied] On Greek anthro:pos 'man'

The people as against the Hero, pho:s

2013/1/30, Joao S. Lopes josimo70@...>:
> why man = looking dark?
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>> 2. None of them: long /o:/ continues two or three PIE phonemes from
>> two different PIE morphemes,
>> *h2andhro- + *h3(o(:))kw-s (*h3kw- or *h3okw- or *h3o:kw- depends on
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> It's normally *-h3kW-o- in thematic formations. See *próti-h3kW-o-m
> 'face, front' > Skt. práti:ka- 'surface, face', Toch.B pratsa:ko
> 'chest', Gk. coll. próso:pe:. The long vowel in Tocharian and Greek
> comes from laryngeal breaking. See also *h2anti-h3kW-o- > Lat.
> anti:quus/anti:cus, Gmc. adjective-forming *-i:G-a- < *-i-h3kW-o-, etc.
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