Re: Basque onddo

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
<bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:

>
> > Basque onddo /onJo/ comes from "Cantabrian" Romance *Fongo (where

/F/is

> > a bilabial voiceless fricative) > Spanish hongo.
> >
> > I must insist that palatalization in onddo has *nothing* to do with

the

> > Romance one from [nn] or [nj], but it's related to some types of
> > expressive palatalization. For example, Spanish rechoncho (from

*choncho

> > with contamination from redondo 'round'), Galician zoncho 'chubby'

come

> > from a palatalized form *conco ~ *tSontSo related to Spanish tonto,
> > zonzo 'dumb, stupid'.
> >
> > By a similar process, a velar stop /k, g/ can become a palatal /c,

J/,

> > and eventually depalatalized as /t, d/. But /dj/ > /gj/ is also
> > possible, as in txindil > txingil 'lentil' or sugandilla >

sura(i)ngilla

> > 'lizard'.
>
> We have had a sufficient number of discussions to realize that we

adhere

> to different epistemological frames, and this is reaffirmed by the

present

> case, where I was asking for a Sound Law, whil You look completely
> satisfied with an explanation like " it's related to some types of
> expressive palatalization"...
>

Actually, this is a *sound law* by which some consonants, e.g. /t, ts/
get into the corresponding palatals /c, tS/. At the same time, I warned
you against the confusion with other types of palatalization common in
Romance.