Re: Cremona (was: Ligurian Barga and */p/; was: Ligurian)

2012/6/1, patrick cuadrado <dicoceltique@...>:

> I prefer Krim-/Krem- = strong
> personal name Kremius = strongly
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> Brittonic : Middle Breton Creff/Creffder → Breton Kreñv/Kreñvder
> (Plentiful/Violent). Cornic Crêf/Crefter (Robust/Vigourous). Welsh
> Cryf/Cryfder (Powerful)
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> Cremona = fortress

Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:

So what's /-o:na/ with long /o:/?

> PC:
> Kram- = garlic in celtic not Krem-
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> Brittonic : Old Breton Cram → Breton Krav. Welsh Craf.
> compare to old english Hramsa
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Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
Brittonic cram < *kramo < PIE *krmH-o-
Irish crem < *kremo- < PIE *kremH-o-
Both mean 'garlic' etc. It's ablaut

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> --- En date de : Ven 1.6.12, Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
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> De: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>
> Objet: Re: [tied] Cremona (was: Ligurian Barga and */p/; was: Ligurian)
> À: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Vendredi 1 juin 2012, 1h08
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> 2012/5/25, patrick cuadrado <dicoceltique@...>:
>> Cremona < *Kremo-ponah2;
>> what means ? please
>>> [HTML and excess quoting deleted. -BMS]
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> Bhrihskwobhloukstroy:
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> *KremH-o-pon-ah2 'Garlic-river'; for the first member cf. 'The Onions'
> town', de Bernardo Stempel 2000: 86. 93 (OIr. crem, crim)
> otherwise *Krem-o-pon-ah2 'Stone river', cf. Marcato et al. 1990: 238
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> Carla Marcato, Giuliano Gasca Queirazza S.J., Giovan Battista
> Pellegrini, Giulia Petracco Sicardi, Alda Rossebastiano (con il
> contributo di Elena Papa) Dizionario di toponomastica. Storia e
> significato dei nomi geografici italiani, Torino, Unione
> Tipografico-Editrice Torinese [Realizzazione editoriale: Anna Ferrari
> e Carlo Enrico Pietra (redazione), Silvana Lagable (revisione e
> segreteria). Fotocomposizione e stampa: Tipografia Sociale Torinese -
> S.p.A., Grugliasco (To[rino])], 1990 [XXVIII, 720 p.], ISBN
> 88-02-04384-1.
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> Patrizia de Bernardo Stempel, «Ptolemy’s Celtic Italy and Ireland: a
> Linguistic Analysis», in Ptolemy. Towards a linguistic atlas of the
> earliest Celtic place-names of Europe. Papers from a workshop,
> sponsored by the British Academy, in the Department of Welsh,
> University of Wales, Aberystwyth, 11-12 April 1999 edited by David N.
> PARSONS & Patrick SIMS-WILLIAMS (CMCS Publications · Department of
> Welsh, University of Wales, Aberystwyth · Old College, King Street,
> Aberystwyth, Ceredigion SY23 2AX), Aberystwyth, © CMCS [Typeset by
> David N. Parsons & Printed in Wales], 2000 [x, 188 p.], pp. 83-112.
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