*bher- 'boil' -- was-- Re: Ligurian

From: The Egyptian Chronicles
Message: 69447
Date: 2012-04-28

bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...> wrote:

2. Bormani, just like Bormio, can better proceed from *bhor-mo- (*bher- 'boil')


ISHINAN: Naturally, you are referring to: barm, L. fermentum,  Skt. bhurati, brew (PIE root *bhreue to bubble, boil, effervesce, froth) etc.

If so, then there is the following unresolved problem that keeps creeping up 
in the face of Indo-European hypothesis.

For example, the Classical Arabic root of "fwr" yields the following meanings:


see fig#1

C.A. Fuwara-h: froth, or foam, that boils, boils over a cooking pot, brew, brewing of wine

Compare with:

barm  O.E. beorma "yeast, leaven," also "head of a beer," from P.Gmc. *bermon- (cf. Du. berm, M.L.G.barm), from PIE root *bher- "to cook, bake" (cf. L. fermentum "substance causing fermentation,"  L. fervere "to boil, foam," Thracian Gk.brytos "fermented liquor made from barley," Rus. bruja "current," O.Ir. bruth "heat;" O.E.beorma "yeast;" O.H.G. brato "roast meat"), the original sense thus being "make a drink by boiling." Related: Brewed; brewing.

(Fig. # 2)
 C.A.   Fuwwara-h: that moves and turns around
compare with:

 Skt. bhurati "moves convulsively, quivers"   
(Fig # 3)
 C.A. fuwwara-h: spring, source of water, well,water-trough, basin, pool and pond.

far: It wells, pours forth  from the spring, source.

Compare with:

Gk. phrear "well, spring, cistern," 

(Fig. # 4)
C.A. fwr: fury, ebulation of anger and rage .

Compare with:

fury: late 14c., "fierce passion," from O.Fr. furie (14c.), from L. furia "violent passion, rage, madness," related to furere "to rage, be mad."

They all, without exception, date from the Classical Arabic period and happen to correspond to the various Germanic, Latin, Greek, Celtic, and Sanskrit COMBINED definitions.

Are we to entertain the idea that these C. A. words are ALL loan words?
Unfortunately, this would defy reason, since loan words are usually borrowed haphazardly, NEVER to correspond systematically, so neatly and conveniently, to a single root from a hypothetical  PIE *bher- .