From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy
Message: 69391
Date: 2012-04-21
> Doesn't Gaulish have a form borb-, borm- that deals with hot springs?
> I'll let you and the Daykillerman fight this one out
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> From: Bhrihskwobhloukstroy <bhrihstlobhrouzghdhroy@...>
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Ligurian
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> 1. */p/ in Porcobera contrasts with /0/ in Ingauni < *Ping'aH-mno-
> 'tattoed'; it isn't anti-Celtic, just very archaic (and very limited
> in Liguria itself; just in Inland valleys)
> 2. Bormani, just like Bormio, can better proceed from *bhor-mo- (*bher-
> 'boil')
> 3. Bargae does not "evidently" continue a PIE zero-grade; long grade
> *Bho:rg'h-aH would be much better (as a collective formation)
> 4. /ou/ < */eu/ isn't pan-Celtic at all; this is a mere matter of terms.
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> To sum up, Ligurian is fully Celtic, with just small very archaic
> pockets in the Apennines.
> I can reply to every single place-name
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> 2012/4/21, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>:
>> I was wondering about Ligurian. I was following Wikipedia because I don't
>> have any other evidence. Now there are some words in Corsica and Sardinia
>> that seem to be IE but are not Celtic. Are they Ligurian? Also, is
>> Ligurian
>> close to Lusitanian?
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>> From: dgkilday57 <dgkilday57@...>
>> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:59 PM
>> Subject: [tied] Re: Basque mendi 'mountain'
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>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> ***R
>>> It would seem that there are maybe 3 to 5 known branches of Celtic
>>> 1. Ibero-Celtic
>>> 2. Gallo-Brythonic, including Lepontic and possibly Belgic & Ligurian
>>> 3. Goidelic
>>> 4. Maybe Tartesso-Celtic
>>> 5. Maybe Noric-Balkan-Galatian Celtic (unless an extension of  G-B)
>>
>> Strabo was correct in distinguishing Ligurians from Celts. Several
>> phonological developments show that Ligurian cannot be a Celtic language:
>>
>> 1. PIE *p > Lig. /p/. The river Porcobera (Sent. Minuc.), Latinized as
>> Porcifera (Plin.), now Polcevere, evidently means 'salmon-bearing'
>> (*pork^o-bHer-); cf. Old Irish <erc>, <orc> 'perch, salmon', OHG <ferhana>
>> 'trout', etc.
>>
>> 2. PIE *gWH > Lig. /b/. Lucus Bormani (Itin. Ant.) and other Lig.
>> place-names (and god-names) associated with warm springs, collected by
>> Kretschmer, evidently reflect PIE *gWHorm- 'warm', Lat. <formus>; cf. Skt.
>> <gharmas>, Old Pruss. <gorme>, OIr <gor> 'heat', etc.
>>
>> 3. PIE *r. > Lig. /ar/. Bargae (Tab. Vel.) evidently continues the PIE
>> zero-grade *bHr.g^H- (Celt. *brig-, Gmc. *burg-) from *bHerg^H- 'to
>> protect,
>> defend'.
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>> 4. PIE *eu > Lig. /eu/ against *ou, which Matasovic' considers
>> pan-Celtic.
>> He explains Neviodunum (sic) as an orthographic variant of Gallo-Latin
>> Noviodunum, but in fact Nevidunus (Tab. Vel.) is Ligurian (in form
>> possibly
>> a Caland-bahuvrihi), also Leucomelium (Tab. Vel.), the personal name
>> Nevius
>> (Lat. inscc. of Liguria), and the Salluvian king's name Teutomalius (Liv.
>> Epit. 61).
>>
>> Ligurian agrees with Celtic in rendering the non-labiovelar mediae
>> aspiratae
>> as mediae. It also shows *gW > /b/ and *kW > /p/.
>>
>> DGK
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