Re: Ligurian

1. */p/ in Porcobera contrasts with /0/ in Ingauni < *Ping'aH-mno-
'tattoed'; it isn't anti-Celtic, just very archaic (and very limited
in Liguria itself; just in Inland valleys)
2. Bormani, just like Bormio, can better proceed from *bhor-mo- (*bher- 'boil')
3. Bargae does not "evidently" continue a PIE zero-grade; long grade
*Bho:rg'h-aH would be much better (as a collective formation)
4. /ou/ < */eu/ isn't pan-Celtic at all; this is a mere matter of terms.

To sum up, Ligurian is fully Celtic, with just small very archaic
pockets in the Apennines.
I can reply to every single place-name

2012/4/21, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>:

> I was wondering about Ligurian. I was following Wikipedia because I don't
> have any other evidence. Now there are some words in Corsica and Sardinia
> that seem to be IE but are not Celtic. Are they Ligurian? Also, is Ligurian
> close to Lusitanian?
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> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2012 8:59 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Basque mendi 'mountain'
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
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>> ***R
>> It would seem that there are maybe 3 to 5 known branches of Celtic
>> 1. Ibero-Celtic
>> 2. Gallo-Brythonic, including Lepontic and possibly Belgic & Ligurian
>> 3. Goidelic
>> 4. Maybe Tartesso-Celtic
>> 5. Maybe Noric-Balkan-Galatian Celtic (unless an extension of  G-B)
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> Strabo was correct in distinguishing Ligurians from Celts. Several
> phonological developments show that Ligurian cannot be a Celtic language:
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> 1. PIE *p > Lig. /p/. The river Porcobera (Sent. Minuc.), Latinized as
> Porcifera (Plin.), now Polcevere, evidently means 'salmon-bearing'
> (*pork^o-bHer-); cf. Old Irish <erc>, <orc> 'perch, salmon', OHG <ferhana>
> 'trout', etc.
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> 2. PIE *gWH > Lig. /b/. Lucus Bormani (Itin. Ant.) and other Lig.
> place-names (and god-names) associated with warm springs, collected by
> Kretschmer, evidently reflect PIE *gWHorm- 'warm', Lat. <formus>; cf. Skt.
> <gharmas>, Old Pruss. <gorme>, OIr <gor> 'heat', etc.
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> 3. PIE *r. > Lig. /ar/. Bargae (Tab. Vel.) evidently continues the PIE
> zero-grade *bHr.g^H- (Celt. *brig-, Gmc. *burg-) from *bHerg^H- 'to protect,
> defend'.
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> 4. PIE *eu > Lig. /eu/ against *ou, which Matasovic' considers pan-Celtic.
> He explains Neviodunum (sic) as an orthographic variant of Gallo-Latin
> Noviodunum, but in fact Nevidunus (Tab. Vel.) is Ligurian (in form possibly
> a Caland-bahuvrihi), also Leucomelium (Tab. Vel.), the personal name Nevius
> (Lat. inscc. of Liguria), and the Salluvian king's name Teutomalius (Liv.
> Epit. 61).
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> Ligurian agrees with Celtic in rendering the non-labiovelar mediae aspiratae
> as mediae. It also shows *gW > /b/ and *kW > /p/.
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> DGK
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