Re [2]: German PTK-BDG

From: ufnkex
Message: 68969
Date: 2012-03-13

>>teutsch/deutsch,
>Oberdeutsch/Mitteldeutsch

100-150 years ago, Teutsch was also a Hochdeutsch accepted variant.
Today, it is old-fashioned, and now and then used rather ironically
or emphatically (for mockery purposes).

In Oberdeutsch dialects (esp. Suebian and Bavarian), they don't
say teutsch (or toitsch), but... ***daitsch***! (In which -ai-
is as "open" as in Engl. high, mine, by.) Of course, most native-
speakers don't utter such a clear /d/ as one does in other, neigh-
boring languages, so their /d/ in daitsch is a bit closer to /t/
(taitsch). (NB: in "eastern Oberdeutsch" -eu- /oi/ tends to
become -ei/ai- /ai/, hence Feuer /faier/, Streisand (Streusand),
Sennheiser (Sennhäuser). (This is typical of modern "Bastarnian",
of the Alamanian and Bavarian kind. :))

>Berger/Perger,
>Mitteldeutsch/Oberdeutsch

But the genuine pronunciation is always the same - and only *one*.
The different spelling is caused only by subjective perceptions
by regional groups of native-speakers. (With a little training,
foreigners also can utter such kinda -pb- allophones. :))

BTW: you'll find in whole lotta German discussion groups the
sarcastic variant of "böse" (bad) in the spelling "pöse" or
"pöhse", esp. when the poster derides someone. (Used by everybody,
irrespective of his/her Low, Middle or High German background.)

Hamma's jetzat? :)

George