Re: HORSA vs. EXWA

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

>
> > I'm afraid there's no such "thorny cluster" here. As I've explained

in another post, the geminate velar of

> > Hittite hartagga- must be a

suffix like the one found in the Turkic cognate qarsaq 'steppe fox'. With the help

> > of external data, I reconstruct an affricate sibilant

(possibly alveolo-palatal) in the internal cluster *rC.

>
> Wouldn't Turkic be anachronistic vis-a-vis PIE? It seems to only go back about 2,000 years. Before that, it most likely would have been part of some macro-family whose other members most likely were swamped by the expansion of Turkic and other "Altaic" languages. Please correct me on this --but Chuvash seems to be the only divergent member of a family in which all the other members are about as close of Romance or Slavic; and Chuvash only seems to be about 1,000 year distant from the rest of Turkic.
>

The EDAL reconstructs PAltaic *karsi 'fox, marten' from these cognates:
PTurkic *KArsak 'steppe fox'
PMongolian *kirsa 'steppe fox'
PTungusic *karsi 'marten'

Turkic has a velar suffix not found in the other groups. From what I've seen of the EDAL, this kind of suffixes are rather frequent in Altaic, and sometimes are included in PAltaic protoforms (between parentheses).

My point is Hittite hartagga- has a similar suffix not found in the other IE forms. Of course, this doesn't necessarily imply a direct relationship between Hittite and Turkic, but it's rather an ANALOGY.