Re: Substrates in Latin and Germanic

From: Torsten
Message: 68739
Date: 2012-03-03

--- In, "guestu5er" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:
> >At least with the classical interpretation paganus doesn't
> >belong here, since it is supposed to be a loan from Latin
> >paganus "villager", itself derived from 'pagus' "district".
> Of course.
> >I will interpret your puzzlement as caused by the possibilty
> >hinted at here that "sin" is a pre-Christian concept in
> >Eastern Europe.
> Ahem. (Not only in Eastern Europe. Ireland, North and South
> America aren't Eastern Europe. :))
> >The long dispute here over whether peccatum "sin" was borrowed
> >from Latin into Celtic might be relevant here
> "...ora pro nobis, peccatoribus, since Torsten doesn't know quod
> he's talkin' about" :-)
> >since it it weren't, "sin" would also be pre-Christan in Western
> >Europe.
> Wait a minute! Don't you thing that pre-Christian religions didn't
> know what <sin> was!

Not as a state. I think they had fast Abrechnung.

> >I am reminded of a phenomenon called here a 'dumme-bøde', "stupid-
> >fine", a 'fine' biker gangs hit people with who they deemed did
> >something stupid and which accumulates interest rapidly.
> Wat'n dat?! Rocker, die Unschuldige verkloppen?
> >It would be a practical tool for slavers in procuring slaves.
> Your slave idea might, after all, have some relevance. Do you
> imply that Thracian and Dacian slaves played a major role in
> the business?

And the poor Fenni. And Baltic Veneti. They are gone too.

> >There might be a connection with shepherds; I haven't found it yet.
> Well, until we get other insights, the one "link" might be that
> "Sarmatian"-Prototurkic one of the "Chabans" (Cholpans), you
> know, those Turkic-Iranic "Schöffe/Suffet", kinda noble upper
> crust, with judiciary preogatives.
> Cf. the Petcheneg tribe "Chopon" led by Giazis (Yazi), mentioned
> by emperor Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus in "De administrando
> imperio".

Meet a Schöffe

I have been struck by the similarity of the concepts of
as of the concepts of

ie. the juridical concept of a territory which is in the state of being colonized. I don't think the Romans had anything similar.