(...) Indic *bid.d.a-, *bed.d.a- 'defective', Turner 9238, exactly
from *big'-do- and *boig'-do-, the protoforms of Germanic *pik- and
*paik-
(Ralph Lilley TURNER, A Comparative Dictionary of the Indo-Aryan
Languages, London – New York – Toronto, Oxford University Press, 1966)
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2012/3/2, Torsten <
tgpedersen@...>:
> However, Kuhn seems to assume that the NWB loans in Germanic are post-Grimm;
> if they were pre-Grimm they would have been loaned in the form you cite for
> 'Indic'. Another indication of this may be the fact that the NWB words in p-
> identified by Kuhn often have variants in b-; a similar phenomenon appears
> in Jutland
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/30336
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I can't understand Your sentence "if they were pre-Grimm they would
have been loaned in the form you cite for 'Indic'":
1) if You mean "if *pik-/*paik- were pre-Grimm they would have been
loaned [from an IE language into Germanic] in the form *big'- and
*boig'- [which, by the way, aren't exactly identical to the Indic
forms]" and they they would have become Germanic *pik-/*paik-, this is
precisely what I meant as well (but in this case the very hypothesis
of a loan in completely unnecessary);
2) if You mean "if *pik-/*paik- were pre-Grimm they would have been
loaned [from NWB into Germanic] as such [*pik-/*paik-] and then they
would have become *b- [again, not exactly the Indic forms, which have
-e- and retroflex -d.-]", this would be totally absurd (there's no
room in Grimm's or Verner's laws for word-initial */p/ to become /b/).
Variants in (word-initial) /b/ confirm that Kuhn's /p/ is from PIE
*/b/, for the same reason