Re: banbhoj

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Jacques Huynen <jhuynen@...> wrote:

> to Francesco,
> Yes but, that does not say by which phonetic mechanism  "bamboche",
> if not a loan word directly from Indian diasporic or indigenous,
> may have evolved from I. "ban" and "bhoj" or SK bhojya.

I had written a longer post in reply to the above, but that has just been "eaten" by Yahoo!, so now I'll just write two lines on this:

"bamboche" is attested in a work published in Paris in 1789 -- see at

http://www.cnrtl.fr/definition/bamboche
(click on "bamboche - 2. subst. fém.")

there were no Indians making picnic in Haiti (or France) in 1798.

Regards,
Francesco

> --- On Wed, 1/18/12, Francesco Brighenti <frabrig@...> wrote:
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> From: Francesco Brighenti <frabrig@...>
> Subject: [tied] Re: banbhoj
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012, 8:41 PM
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "The Egyptian Chronicles" <the_egyptian_chronicles@> wrote:
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> > JACQUES HUYNEN wrote:
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> > > I live in South Western Nepal 3 month a year. The natives here
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> > > speak 2 dialects of Hindi (Avadhi, tongue linked with Lucknow
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> > > across the border, and Bhojpuri which is also spoken in Indian
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> > > Bihar). At the beginning of the year when weather is warming up
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> > > (February) young people gather for what they call "ban (wood) +
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> > > bhoj (food) > banbhoj, litterally "food in the woods", that
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> > > is "picnic". That word reminds me of a French word that has a
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> > > meaning close to banbhoj: "bambocher", to banquet, party, enjoy
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> > > oneself. I wonder if there could be a common origin to these two
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> > ISHINAN:
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> > I suspect the culprit for the transmission of your term 'banbhoj'
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> > and the like from many areas of South Asia (East Indian)
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> > Definition of BAMBOCHE: AmerF (Haiti), a social get-together in
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> > Haiti characterized by noisy singing and dancing.
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> The "culprit" in this case cannot be the Indian diaspora in the West Indies because the term banbhoj 'picnic' (lit. 'forest feast'), attested as such in many northern Indo-Aryan languages/dialects (f.i. in Hindi, Maithili, Avadhi, Nepali, Assamese), is based on an Indian word, bhoj (< Skt. bhojya 'food, meal'), that already means 'feast' in all of those languages/dialects.
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> Thus, there is no need to invoke any borrowing from Haitian French here. The term just indicates feasting in the woods.
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> Best,
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> Francesco
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