Res: Res: [tied] Re: (was Latin Honor < ?) Bestia

From: Torsten
Message: 67869
Date: 2011-06-29

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "bmscotttg" <bm.brian@...> wrote:
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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <bm.brian@>
> > wrote:
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> >> At 1:41:47 AM on Monday, June 27, 2011, Torsten wrote:
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> >>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> >>> <gpiotr@> wrote:
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> >>>> W dniu 2011-06-26 08:09, Torsten pisze:
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> >>>>> Trick question: what would happen to PIE *stVló- in
> >>>>> Oscan?
>
> >>>> Two things wouldn't: *o > a: and k > g
>
> >>> That's true for a regular derivation within PIE; I suspect
> >>> that both Latin (st)locus and Oscan sla(a)gi- are
> >>> substrate words, related to those Boutkan discusses here:
> >>> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/61680
> >>> the semantics of which, "swamp" etc, would match the Oscan
> >>> sense of "border";
>
> >> Only if one deliberately distorts the attested semantics by
> >> choosing the most atypical datum.
>
> > You're not expressing yourself very clearly. Do you mean to say
> > that "border" is the most atypical sense of the two attested
> > senses "border" and "region" of the three known occurrences of
> > *sla(a)gi-?
>
> Of course not. I am obviously talking about 'those Boutkan
> discusses here ... the semantics of which, "swamp" etc, would match
> the Oscan sense of "border". The semantics of that group do *not*
> match 'border': 'swamp, morass' is clearly an outlier.
>
> The repetition of the word 'semantics' and the fact that it was
> the subject of the clause to which I was replying should have made
> this obvious, and even a cursory review of Boutkan's data would
> have confirmed the obvious.

Only three obviouses and one clearly, but it's a short text, of course.

You should take a look at de Vries' proposal below Boutkan's article
('das bewerfender hauswand' should be 'das bewerfen der hauswand'), who relates them all to the material used in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wattle_and_daub
construction, basically clayey mud, making *slagan the act of daubing, slinging the daub onto the wattle. Villages in flat territory were bordered by terrain which couldn't be cultivated because it was too wet, ie. muddy.


Torsten