Re: was The Finnic issue

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Torsten" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > > Also
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendsyssel
> > > 'Vendel (Old Danish Wændil) was also the ancient name of the
> > > Limfjord itself.'
> > > The
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limfjord
> > > would be on the route between the Armorican and the Baltic
> > > Veneti.
> > > According to

http://www.thistedmuseum.dk/Historisk%20%C3%85rbog/%C3%85rgang%201963/Rolighed,%20Jens%20%20%20Fra%20Vust%20sogn%20i%20svundne%20tider.pdf

> > > there was a portage at
> > > Vust, 1231 Vrst (as an island), 1465 Wost, locally [u?st]

http://maps.google.dk/maps?q=vust&hl=da&sll=55.869147,11.228027&sspn=6.797677,14.128418&z=14

> > > with the NWBlock/Venetic ending -st-
> >
> > HÃ¥ndbog i danske stednavne
> > '162. Vust s. V. Han h. 1200-t. Vrst, 1465 Wost.
> > Navnet yderst dunkelt. ...' [extremely opaque]
> > cf.
> > '161. Vrist, Harboør s. Vandfuld h. 1595 Paa Wrist, 1610 wrist.
> > Subst. wrist „bøjning, bugt".' [ie. cognate with English wrist;
> >??]

http://maps.google.dk/maps?q=vrist&hl=da&ll=56.612798,8.098297&spn=0.208198,0.441513&sll=57.122078,9.110413&sspn=0.205382,0.441513&z=11

> > at another old exit from the Limfjord
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> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/47751
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/64781
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/64782
> etc
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> probably both
> *aN-i/u-st- -> *(w)u-st-
> and
> *aN-i/u-st- -> *(w)ur-st- (Orust etc)
> "those at the mouth (of the river)"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orust
>

BTW, if we assume that at Ptolemy's time exits from the Limfjord existed both at Agger (or rather at Vrist) and at Vust, the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Jutlandic_Island
(note, no native name)
would have been divided into two islands corresponding to the regions of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendsyssel
(with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanherrederne )
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thy_%28district%29 ,
where the exit at Vust corresponds to the border between the present regions. With
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mors_%28island%29
there would be in all three islands north of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutland
proper, corresponding to Ptolemy's
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Periods/Roman/_Texts/Ptolemy/2/10.html
'Above the Cimbrian peninsula there are three other islands which are called the Alociae islands'; as for the name, cf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aalborg#Early_age
'The first mention of Aalborg under its original name Alabu, is found on a coin dated to 1040. An alternative spelling is Alebu and an approximate translation of the name is The (dwelling) place by the stream.'
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aalborg#Navn
'Byens navn kendes som Alabur og Alebu på mønter fra 1000-tallet. I Kong Valdemars Jordebog hedder den Aleburgh. Navnet menes at komme af áll, der er en smal strøm eller sejlrende.'


Torsten