Re: Schoeffe I

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...> wrote:

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>
>
> >>"çupan "'awn 'arifi'l-qariya" ("the assistant to a village
> >>headman")."
> >>
> >>But this čupan "awn arifi'l-gariya" is exactly the same as
> >>the one (in Protobulgar inscriptions) the author starts with
> >>in the 1st sentence.
> >>
> >>Moreover, this "assistant to a village headman" is exactly the
> >>primeval Slavic-German meaning of the
> >>Schoppe/Schuppe/Saupe/Schöffe!
>
> For the record: here, Torsten has no comment!

That was because I agree.

> >Actually the two groups meet in the
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_kingdom
> >cf.
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypsistarians
> >I propose that the Jews there may have been the fabled
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_lost_tribes ;
>
> Schön und gut, but these aspects are relevant to epochs
> many centuries prior to those that are relevant.

Not necessarily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Anatolia#Christianity_in_Anatolia_during_Roman_times

From there they might have arrived in the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_kingdom
with
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithridates_VI_of_Pontus
conquest of it in 108 BCE.

> How on earth do you explain that a certain group of
> people (population) replaced its vernacular with
> medieval Middle and New German? Which has been
> called "Jiddish".

Business. The
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bastarnae
'inhabited the region between the eastern Carpathian mountains and the Dnieper river (corresponding to the modern Republic of Moldova and western part of southern Ukraine)'. That means they controlled the land up river from the Greek Black Sea cities. Some of them would have moved there, settled and learned the Bastarnian / Old High German language.

Compare the standard explanation:

Jews lived in Eastern Europe, having adopted Slavic as their language. Suddenly Germans arrived from Germany on a rampage, subjugating the natives. The Jews became so infatuated with them that they all decided to communicate in a German dialect, even if they were hundreds of miles away from any German, thus suddenly rendering communication impossible with their neighbors, the Slavs.

Which do you prefer?

> What the heck had "your" Bosporan Dingsbums have in
> common with the fact that Ukrainian-Russian-Polish-
> Baltic Jews became *German*-language speakers (or, if
> you prefer, "Bastarnian"-language speakers)???

See above!!!
BTW, you shouldn't talk that way of the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosporan_kingdom
the other George liked it very much.

> ("http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_lost_tribes": Das
> ich nicht lache! :))

You better not. Those people don't like being laughed at.

> >that would explain their connection with the strange
> >syncretistic Zeus Sabazios cult,
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabazios#Jewish_connection
>
> This cult wasn't a Caananite one, but a PIE one. At that,
> a ... mounted one!

Yes, and? Any worse than a golden calf?

> >and further that they became the Ashkenazi Jews.
>
> Ashkenazi Jews's origins are Scythian, Balto-Slavic,
> Turkic (Tatar) and Iranian.

Oh, you are one of those who believe that ...
Well, genetics say different:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews#Y-DNA_of_Ashkenazi_Jews


Torsten