Re: [tied] Saupe < župan (Re: Schöffe I)

At 8:51:51 PM on Wednesday, April 6, 2011, Rick McCallister wrote:

> From: Brian M. Scott <bm.brian@...>

>> On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 06:20 -0700, Rick McCallister wrote:

>>> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...>
>>> wrote:

>>>> At least in modern German: High German -eu-/-äu- =
>>>> South German -ei-/-ai- (e.g. Feuer, Häuser, Streu, neu,
>>>> Leute, teuer, heuer v. Feier, Heiser (cf. Sennheiser),
>>>> Strei (cf. Streisand), nei, Leit, teier, heier...)

>>> ***R OK, that explains in part the US Midwestern pattern
>>> of bastardization of German names in which <eu> is /ay/,
>>> <oe> is /ey/, <ue> is /iy/

> I don't think that it's needed to explain the last two,
> which in my experience are the most common: since English
> doesn't have the rounded front vowels, they simply get
> unrounded. Other pronunciations are spelling
> pronunciations.

> ***R You'd expect something like /rowzn@.../ or /r@...@r/ for
> Roesener

Only as a spelling pronunciation.

> but instead you get /reyzn@.../,

Yes, for the reason that I just gave: English doesn't have a
mid-front rounded vowel, so it substitutes its nearest
equivalent, which is unrounded.

> and then there "donkey shane"

The same thing, mutatis mutandis.

> For Kuehnle, you'd "kyuwnliy" but instead you get
> "kiynliy" so there is a "system" at work

I know. I told you in my previous post exactly what it is.

Brian