Re: [tied] Saupe < župan (Re: Schöffe I)

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 67330
Date: 2011-04-07




From: Brian M. Scott <bm.brian@...>
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 6, 2011 3:37:25 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Saupe < župan (Re: Schöffe I)

 

On Wed, 2011-04-06 at 06:20 -0700, Rick McCallister wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "t0lgsoo1" <guestuser.0x9357@...>
> wrote:

> > At least in modern German: High German -eu-/-äu- = South German
> > -ei-/-ai- (e.g. Feuer, Häuser, Streu, neu, Leute, teuer, heuer
> > v. Feier, Heiser (cf. Sennheiser), Strei (cf. Streisand), nei,
> > Leit, teier, heier...)

> ***R OK, that explains in part the US Midwestern pattern of
> bastardization of German names in which <eu> is /ay/, <oe> is /ey/,
> <ue> is /iy/

I don't think that it's needed to explain the last two, which in my
experience are the most common: since English doesn't have the rounded
front vowels, they simply get unrounded. Other pronunciations are
spelling pronunciations.

***R You'd expect something like /rowzn@.../ or /r@...@r/ for Roesener but instead you get /reyzn@.../, and then there "donkey shane"

For Kuehnle, you'd "kyuwnliy" but instead you get "kiynliy"

so there is a "system" at work