Re: [tied] Re: Schöffe II

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <bm.brian@...> wrote:
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> On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 09:09 +0000, Torsten wrote:
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> [...]
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> > Ah, as I thought:
> > http://runeberg.org/svetym/0785.html
> > Swedish has <schakt>, obviously, because of lack of loan
> > substitution of German sch- with sk-, a late loan, not, as Hock
> > claims, <skakt>, which on the other hand is Danish, called
> > 'fremmedord', "foreign word"
> > by DEO.
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> The earliest citation in SAOB is for <Skachtenn>, the definite form
> used in the name of a shaft. Also, from 1609: <Hwar man sänker och
> slår igenom taket ifrån dagen till Streket, det kallas en Skakt.>

Live and learn!
The pronunciation is, if ordinary rules apply, [skakt] and [Å¡akt], so the word must have been re-Germanized, possibly in the 17th century with influx of Dutch-financed Walloon miners
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloons#Walloons_in_Sweden
with the upsurge in Swedish mining
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Copper_Mountain
to finance their extensive wars.
(Note also
<schack>, earlier <skack> "chess"
http://runeberg.org/svetym/0785.html
cf Danish <skak>)
The importation of the word itself may have been connected with the beginning of mining activities in Sweden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Copper_Mountain#History

The point I was trying to make is that while the transfer of mining terminology from German to Swedish may be connected to particular historical events, I am not aware of similar historical events to explain its tranfer to English (nor is Hock, it seems).

BTW, does English know a similar use of <day> for 'topside' in mining terminology (cf. German Tagebau "open pit mine")?

Torsten

Never heard of such a usage. US mines, in WV, at least, tended to recruit their white collar people from Canada and Minnesota. The first generation of miners were African-Americans because the mines were so dangerous that locals would not work in them until economic conditions eventually forced them to do so. The next generation of miners were largely Italians and Poles. Around 1900, locals began entering the mines and soon afterwards the mines wars began.