From: Torsten
Message: 67256
Date: 2011-03-19
>Don't worry about that; there's schaben/schaffen/schöpfen, and similarly for Latin; that alternation comes from the loan source, whatever that is.
> Am 18.03.2011 23:29, schrieb Torsten:
> >
> >
> > My proposal: the Schöffe (scheppen etc) is a 'Schäfer' ie a
> > "shepherd", once of livestock or of people, captives, from which
> > at times they take out a collection as not useful.
> >
>
>
> that is funny and I never tought about since in whole Balkan there
> is a denomination for Schäfer and this is "cioban" which should be
> pronounced as "tschöban" in German.. Aktually, some people - I guess
> our Piotr too
> -- keep this word for a turkish loan.
> Seeing the form -sch- versus -tsch(c^) and "ö" (aka -oe)versus
> (ä/aka ae) that appears to be a very appropiate form having the same
> meaning ciob(an)/schäf(er); funny, the "b" there could have been an
> "p" long time before, so long that this "p" gave an "f" in German...
> or maybse simply false friends but really .. the form is
> intriguing..