From: Brian M. Scott
Message: 66970
Date: 2010-12-16
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"Yes.
> <bm.brian@...> wrote:
>> At 7:45:19 PM on Thursday, November 18, 2010, Torsten wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> On the three names of that river route cf.
>>>> Kuhn
>>> ...
>>>> "The German Radantia (to river Main at Bamberg) was in
>>>> this way [various dialect forms adopted for separate
>>>> stretches] even divided into three parts. The two source
>>>> rivers are now named (Franconian and Swabian) Rezat, the
>>>> middle course Rednitz and the lower, from the entrance of
>>>> the river Pegnitz, Regnitz. The new units correponded to
>>>> natural river sections and therefore gave little cause
>>>> for objection. The form Regnitz may be taken symbolically
>>>> as a mix of Rednitz and Pegnitz, which join there and are
>>>> approximately of the same size. Rezat seems to have
>>>> originated from Reht-ratanze, the old name of the
>>>> Franconian Rezat (thus 810, but 786 Reth-ratenza). It is
>>>> probably the "right Radantia" (seen from down river), but
>>>> nonetheless a part of the unitary Radantia which has now
>>>> fallen into pieces".
>>>> Or from *radj- -> rad-/rag- (by phoneme adaptation)?
>> No such gratuitous hypothesis is necessary: the name has a
>> perfectly good etymology, and the change Rednitz > Regnitz
>> under the influence of <Pegnitz> is unobjectionable.
> You seem to be happy with it; good for you.
>> Regnitz: <Regentze> 1312, <Regnitz> 1348, <Regnicz> 1376,
>> <Regnitius ... fluvius vulgo Radiantia dictus> 1506.
> Alright, Radiantia? And a derivation from *radj- was
> gratuitous?
> Frnkly, Brian, why don't you check your examples first,I do. Why don't you learn how to evaluate evidence?
> before your make grand statements about the gratuitousness
> of proposals?
>>>> cf. the city's names in Orbis Latinus:It's the inference supported by the evidence.
>>>> http://www.columbia.edu/acis/ets/Graesse/orblatr.html
>>>> 'Ratisbona, Ratispona, Radaspona, Radespona, Radisbona u.
>>>> -pona, Reginopolis, Regina (castra), Regnia,
>>>> Reginoburgum, Regino urbs, Raegina, Imbripolis
>>>> (Imbripolitanus), Tiberina, Tiberia, Tiburina, Tiburnia,
>>>> Hyatospolis, Hierapolis, Hiaspolis, Quadrata,
>>>> Reginopolis, Ratispolis, Regisburgium, Regensburg, Stadt,
>>>> Bayern (Oberpfalz).'
>>>> note the -d-/-g- alternation also here.
>> Because it had two fundamentally different names (plus a
>> number of fantastical nonce names).
> No, that's your proposal (actually someone else's).
>> <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regensburg>:To distinguish it from towns without walls, or because it
>> Regensburg ist eine der ältesten Städte in Deutschland. Im
>> Laufe der Jahrhunderte ist Regensburg mit einer Vielzahl von
>> Namen bedacht worden. Das weist auf die reichhaltige
>> Geschichte hin. Älteste Namen der Siedlung sind die
>> keltischen Bezeichnungen Radasbona, Ratasbona oder
>> Ratisbona, daraus entstand die französische Benennung
>> Regenburgs „Ratisbonne“. Der Namensursprung beruht auf zwei
>> keltischen Wörtern: rate oder ratis „Wall“, „Stadtmauer“ und
>> bona „Gründung“ oder „Stadt“.[2]
> Thus 'Stadtmauerstadt'? What's the point of calling you
> city that?