Re: leudh- > Germanic > OE leode

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Tavi" <oalexandre@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, johnvertical@ wrote:
> >
> > > I think nobody has paid enough attention to the great similarity
> > > between the roots *(H1)leudh- and *teutéHa-, both meaning
> > > 'people'.
> > >
> > > The alternation between *l/*t could be explained as being
> > > different reflexes of a former lateral affricate *tL.
> > > Starostin-Nikolayev's
> > > PNC *HittL'i:wV(-l/V) 'root, seed; kin'
> > > would fit nicely here.
> >
> > Except your previous PNC/IE isoglosses [as seen on the Nostratica
> > list] have had velars corresponding to geminate *ttL', not
> > dentals/laterals.
> >
> Yes, that's right. But now I think *leudh- comes from PNC
> *liwdK\E/*dK\iwlV 'man, male', with PNC *dK\ > IE *dh.

I might have another d-/l- alternation:

http://tinyurl.com/3ae5sdc
http://tinyurl.com/39x8jjr

Detschew:
Die thrakischen Sprachreste
-δαυα, -δαυον, -dava, -δαβα, -δάβη, -daba, -δεβα, -δέβαι, -deva, -δαβας, δευα- in α`ιά-δαβα, `αε-δάβη, Aci-dava, Arci-dava, Arci-daba, `αργέ-δαυον, `αργί-δαυα, *βουρι-δαυα (vgl. βονρι-δαυήνσιοι), Bur(r)i-dava, *Burico-dava (vgl. Burico-davensis), βρεγε-δάβα, *Gil-dava (vgl. Gildoba), δανε-δέβαι, δαούσ-δαυα, Desu-daba, δεβαβενζις, δοκί-δαυα, ζαργί-δαυα, ζιχί-δεβα, ζιρί-δαυα, ζισνού-δεβα, ζουσί-δαυα, θερμί-δαυα, `ιτα-δεβά, καπί-δαυα, Capi-dava, καπίδαβα, καρι-δαβα, καρσί-δαυα, κληπί-δαυα, κομί-δαυα, κουιμέ-δαβα, κουμού-δεβα, μαρκό-δαυα, μουρι-δεβά, νετίν-δαυα, ο`υτί-δαυα, πατρίδαυα, *Perburi-dava (vgl. Perburidavensis), πετρό-δαυα, πιροβορίδαυα, Pulpu-deva, *πρε-δαυα (vgl. πρε-δαυήν-σιοι), ´ραμί-δαυα, Rusipava, ´ρυμε-δαβας, Saga-dava, Saci-daba, σανγί-δαυα, σετί-δαυα, σινγίδαυα, Scaï-dava, σχέ-δεβα, σουχί-δαυα, Suci-dava, συχι-δαβα, ταμασίδαυα. Vgl. noch B[?u]teridavenses.

[all Greek capitals replaced for UTF reasons]

WT. Thr. II 1, 9 has correctly recognized that in the Hesychius gloss
λέβα• πόλις ´υπ`ο θρακω~ν [léba• town among the Thracians]
the word δέβα [déba] is corrupted to λέβα [léba]. Consequently the basic element should, with WT. elsewhere and Kretschmer Einl. 222, be derived from the root dhe:-w-: dhə-w- "set, found" (cf.
Hesychius θάβακον [ie. θάFακον]• θα~κον ``η θρόνον,
Attic-Doric θα~κος "seat",
Greek θαάσσω "sit")
and be understood as "seat, settlement, habitation, open village".
Acc. to Brandenstein, Festschrift für Hirt 2, 24, the same basic element can be found in the Lycian placenema Hlm~mi-dewe/Ελμι-δαυαι.'


But that *dhe:-w- root is the one I in this thread proposed to be
*LaN- (vel sim.!) "put (into the soup/hole), lay down", so we might not have to emend *leba- to *deba-, but may derive them both from *LaN-. Cf. also the *-lev/*-löv/*-leben (< *-leva, -n from locativic dative), referred to extensively (mostly by me) in the archives
http://tinyurl.com/3azv4ul
which would then be a cognate (and a Dacian marker?); note that the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thuringii
are attested relatively late (although the name Tungri in Tacitus might be identical, it might have been a landscape name transferred later to the new inhabitants). The date is not incompatible with a (Free) Dacian/Danish invasion of Denmark around 200 CE.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/66612


Torsten