Re: 'dyeus' chronology

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "shivkhokra" <shivkhokra@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham" <richard.wordingham@> wrote:
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> shivkhokra wrote:
> >>>I am saying that if dyaus is mentioned for the first time on the planet earth
> >>>in 2000 BC in Rg Veda and then 800 years later in 1200 B.C he is mentioned
> >>>again as Zeus with similar functions on Linear B tablets in Crete,
> >>>many thousand miles away, why is it necessary to assume that Greeks
> >>>and Rg Vedic people had a common ancestor? Does'nt Occam's razor apply?
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> Richard wrote:
> >>We already need a common (linguistic) ancestor for Greek and Sanskrit. Occam's
> >>razor says we shouldn't multiply entities *without reason*.
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> Shivraj wrote:
> >> Can you please explain what you mean?
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> Richard wrote:
> > We already have the linguistic connection between the Greeks and the Indo-Aryans. We should not propose another connection without good reason.
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> But the question is what is the need to invent a ficticious ancestor than accepting the connection that cretan greeks writing linear B in 1200 B.C. got Zeus from Saraswati dwelling Vedic people who were worshipping Dyaus much earlier?

The need is the Greek and Sanskrit languages, which are clearly related.

> If we consider three geographical regions: India, Iran and mitanni/hurrian region we see that in India and Mitanni region Indra, Varuna, Mitra and Nasatya were considered Gods. So was the case in pre-zarathusthra Iran becuase these gods were turned into demons by the avestan prophet so "pagan" Iran thought of these 4 as Gods.
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> What do you think might be the reason that Vedic, "pagan" or pre Zarathusthra Iranians and Mitanni people all thought of Indra, Mitra, Varuna and Nasatya as Gods?

I assume that by 'Mitanni peoply' you mean the Mitanni Aryans. I accept the usual view that they were all essentially the same people, culturally and linguistically. Of course, such unity is not necessary for the veneration of these gods - Indra and Varuna at least are venerated by some Buddhists.

Richard.